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Post by drifter on Jun 12, 2013 2:21:12 GMT -5
Just to be clear, I did not create this message board. Accordingly, I have no ability to moderate it. Therefore, my question to you:
Given our recent experience at aetv ...
Do you, as a poster here ...
1. think that it is safe to go ahead and use this board (jj's) to begin posting threads about EAR/ONS, without active participation of the board's creator (moderator) ?
or alternately,
Do you, as a poster here ...
2. think that we should wait before we begin posting EAR/ONS threads, until the creator (moderator) of this board appears?
There are pluses and minus to both options. I'm curious as to what your opinion is.
In responding to this question, consider legit posters at aetv who do not know about this forum, potential board chaos without an active moderator, irksome delays and potential lost interest while waiting.
I will refrain from posting my opinion. Again to repeat, I am not this board's moderator; I have no authority to control it. My understanding is that this board has a creator/moderator who has not appeared in a long time. I could of course be wrong.
Let me know what you think.
Drifter
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Post by sandia on Jun 12, 2013 12:52:30 GMT -5
Well, this is my 2 cents worth. Personally, I don't see any reason to not just start using this forum. Am I missing something? I was talking with guessting and she said she doesn't want us to be overly censored anyway and I agree with that. I just want to get away from the Trolls that are shutting us down at a&e. I think it is important to not let Kev find out about this board or it will just start over here as well. So when telling people about this site it seems especially important to not let anyone that might be Kev's cohort know about this board. I don't think it means we can't post on the other board, right? I have no desire to post over there anymore but maybe an occasion would arise that I would want to. I am trying to figure out a place everyone could meet "if" we get shut down at a&e and here? What about something on facebook?
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Post by guessting on Jun 12, 2013 16:12:56 GMT -5
Drifter,
If you review the history of this board many times when we just had enough of AE we came here. For some strange reason we always ended up back at AE. Not sure why, but we did. Personally, I think we are a mature enough group to moderate ourselves and if there is an issue, why not a GROUP CONSCIENCE? Kind of like a consensus...We can moniter ourselves I believe. If it gets out of hand we then can change the plan. I think we are all equal here and can act a civil as we choose to. No one person should really have more say than any other in my opinion. what do others think. We can go with a majority rules. If enough think you are a jerk majority says you go, then I guess that could be simply done. Most of the individuals that are here now seem true hearted to this case and that is all I really care about. I care about the case, the victims, the families, and what we can do to move forward...
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Post by greg26011979 on Jun 12, 2013 18:17:06 GMT -5
Drifter,
As guessting stated above, then I believe we can start posting here. I think that we have a core group here who know what is and isn't acceptable, and as above, if you act like a pratt or go out of your way to be offensive or troll, then you go.
Let's try and make this a fresh start. We will probably define parameters as we go, but I believe the people posting here from what I saw previously have the best interests of this case at heart.
Greg
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Post by truthandsoul on Jun 12, 2013 20:14:27 GMT -5
Drifter,
I think we're good here.
A moderator would control trolls and posters' penchant for arguing a point to death.
As well as help avoid any legal/ethical pitfalls, like outright naming suspects, etc.
If we're careful about who is invited over from AE, the troll issue shan't be a problem.
As for moderating a heated discussion, we'll have to see how we do on our own.
And we should remember that we can politely police each other, either thru PM or the board, if things get out of hand or done inappropriately.
IMO, our only problem is numbers. It seems there's <10 of us, maybe realistically 5+, that are here.
I'm new to the case, so I have more questions than answers about the case.
I'd still like to go over some of the threads and references that are already here.
Perhaps I'll start a new thread tonight!
Thanks again for you all being here and wanting to keep the sleuthing moving forward!
Best, Truth
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Post by drifter on Jun 12, 2013 22:57:15 GMT -5
That we seem to lack an active moderator is a concern only because some of the trolls at the aetv board might find out about this one, and be just as disruptive here.
I guess we'll cross that bridge if and when we get to it.
Let's start posting EAR/ONS topics.
Drifter
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Post by lepke on Jun 13, 2013 10:47:36 GMT -5
I already posted the below on a different thread on this site, but think that it may be more pertinent to this thread than the one that I posted it on:
In my opinion, we would be better off continuing to use the AETV site, regardless of the current problems, that I do not think are insurmountable. I think that by Rita refusing to kick Kev off the board, despite all the vile things he has said about Janelle Cruz, she has made herself irrelevant.
As for Kev, and his gang of cronies/sock puppets, and if we just resist interacting with them in any way, I guess they will soon get bored, and sod off to wherever it was that they got their post counts into four or five digits.
I just don't bother reading anything from them any longer, as it is rarely about the case, and sometimes offensive. I think that we should continue to use that board anyway, because it is of course a wealth of information and new ideas, that would take forever to replicate somewhere else.
Kev et al are only a problem if we allow them to be a problem. If we just ignore them, or they get kicked off for saying anything else about Janelle, then either way, they are not getting what they want, in terms of upsetting us.
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Post by guessting on Jun 13, 2013 11:27:51 GMT -5
Hey Drifter, by the way thanks for your willingness to be of service at every opportunity. that has been a huge help. We are a core group and if Kev shows up, we MUST IGNORE HIM...aT ALL COSTS. At least that is my opinion. If he gets no power he will leave. He only wants to disrupt and bring hate and stress. I say do not give him his desire. g
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Post by lepke on Jun 13, 2013 14:44:22 GMT -5
guessting, by that logic, we should just stick with the AETV site, and ignore Kev et al there. Even though the moderation of the site leaves plenty to be desired, it has been built into a wonderful resource over the years, that should continue to be added to.
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Post by guessting on Jun 13, 2013 16:53:38 GMT -5
guessting, by that logic, we should just stick with the AETV site, and ignore Kev et al there. Even though the moderation of the site leaves plenty to be desired, it has been built into a wonderful resource over the years, that should continue to be added to. That Lepke, is by your logic, not mine. I simply said, if he shows up, IGNORE him at all costs. That is all. I am surely not looking to do any battle with you.. so if it is alright with you can we just leave it at that? :-Xg |
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Post by lepke on Jun 13, 2013 17:57:22 GMT -5
guessting, by that logic, we should just stick with the AETV site, and ignore Kev et al there. Even though the moderation of the site leaves plenty to be desired, it has been built into a wonderful resource over the years, that should continue to be added to. That Lepke, is by your logic, not mine. I simply said, if he shows up, IGNORE him at all costs. That is all. I am surely not looking to do any battle with you.. so if it is alright with you can we just leave it at that? :-Xg That's open to argument, but all I would say (again) is that we are all quite capable of ignoring Kev et al on the AETV site, and that by continuing there, we would carry on building what has grown into an excellent resource. Everyone leaving the AETV site, and coming here until Kev likely follows, is giving him a victory of sorts. Why should we run and hide? We can stand up to him no problem on the AETV site, through simply not responding to him at all, and flagging any of his posts that are out of line. I know that you Yanks like to show up late to wars, but us Brits stand and fight from the get go... |
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Post by greg26011979 on Jun 13, 2013 20:43:16 GMT -5
Here we go again...........
Lepke, there was no need for those comments about "Yanks" and "Brits". I want to leave it at that, but if you feel aetv is the best way forward please keep going there.
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Post by sandia on Jun 13, 2013 23:44:30 GMT -5
Putting my two cents in: It is has become more of a problem than just ignoring Kev. He has been spamming and burrying our posts. It is so off putting to go to the board and see his logo and all his henchmen's logos at the end of every topic. Lately I don't feel like putting in the effort to do so much reading to find something of interest that probably nobody has responded to because it was burried. This is a real problem, so now ignoring him isn't enough. Anyway that's what I think.
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Post by drifter on Jun 14, 2013 0:16:34 GMT -5
Hey Drifter, by the way thanks for your willingness to be of service at every opportunity. that has been a huge help. We are a core group and if Kev shows up, we MUST IGNORE HIM...aT ALL COSTS. At least that is my opinion. If he gets no power he will leave. He only wants to disrupt and bring hate and stress. I say do not give him his desire. g That's why I was asking about an active moderator here at this board. Sounds like we don't have one. In which case our only option then is to ... ignore. But ... If ignoring the troll or troublemaker doesn't work, or if someone starts to flood this board with useless posts ... I personally will start a new proboard. As an active moderator I will not allow the kind of situation that occurred at A&E. So if trouble arises here, we do have another option. And to answer your question greg, yes (on a new proboard) I believe we can share mod duties between two moderators. One way or another we will free ourselves from trolls. Drifter |
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Post by samk on Jun 14, 2013 0:25:29 GMT -5
There is gooddog who seems to be crazy from his postings on the A@E board but when he PM me he is very sharp and crazy like a fox and nothing like his posts on the board. So for those type of guys I don't know.
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Post by drifter on Jun 14, 2013 0:33:28 GMT -5
There is gooddog who seems to be crazy from his postings on the A@E board but when he PM me he is very sharp and crazy like a fox and nothing like his posts on the board. So for those type of guys I don't know. How does he/she identify himself/herself at the aetv board? |
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Post by samk on Jun 14, 2013 0:35:29 GMT -5
Good dog has got a new name now. He sent his new name to me but I cannot remember it right now.
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Post by lepke on Jun 14, 2013 2:07:25 GMT -5
Here we go again........... Lepke, there was no need for those comments about "Yanks" and "Brits". I want to leave it at that, but if you feel aetv is the best way forward please keep going there. There was a need for that comment, and it was deliberately a little abrasive, because you guys seem intent in throwing away a huge asset for the sake of a relatively small problem. In my experience Americans are often patriotic, and I want to see you stand and fight (silently), rather than run and hide and hope that you won't be found, which you likely will. Also, I don't subscribe to the idea that anyone can 'bury' anyone else's posts. Like me, I guess that the majority of you, just update yourself on all new posts whenever you check the board. I never miss a post, even if I don't bother reading Kev et al's any longer. To give up so easily on the AETV site, makes me question just how committed some people are to identifying EAR/ONS, because giving up such a great resource, would be a huge step in the wrong direction. |
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Post by greg26011979 on Jun 14, 2013 9:47:11 GMT -5
Drifter,
I think we should look in to the possibility of setting up a new forum. I am quite happy to take on mod duties as I work from home 80% of the time.
Greg
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Post by sandia on Jun 14, 2013 11:23:09 GMT -5
I am torn. I agree with both Lepke and Greg I agree with Lepke we may be losing a great asset with the a&e board. People that come across this case by some means probably end up at the a&e site. I wonder if they will find this site as easily. Having said that though, it seems that the a&e site has been dying on the vine for some time now and Kev is just killing it by turning people off. I am afraid people are leaving in droves over there not to return. Also there is something really weird about Rita and how she is moderating. I actually wondered on the board over there is Kev IS Rita. Is Rita his girlfriend? I wonder what the story is on that? I find it strange. The atmosphere over here is a breath of fresh air. a&e site is really off-putting. Greg, I found this link about how to create a new board right here on proboards and the option of having moderators or not etc. You would probably have gotten to this link by connecting below anyway. I haven't had time to research but just stumbled across this link. www.proboards.com/forum-help-guide/create-forum-member-groupsI've come up with another major concern. Safety. From what I gleaned by just glancing at the link I furnished above, the moderators would have access to our real ip address and I wonder what else, our real names? does that put us in jeopardy? We don't know who anybody really is on the board. |
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Post by drifter on Jun 14, 2013 15:57:24 GMT -5
Sandia wrote:
"... we may be losing a great asset with the a&e board. People that come across this case ... probably end up at the a&e site. I wonder if they will find this site as easily".
Sandia ...
There's a new poster over there now who seems legit. Simply give him the e-mail address for this forum, and tell him not to mention this site to anyone at aetv.
From time to time, anyone can scan the aetv board and do same as in above paragraph.
At appropriate time (we're not there yet), someone (Sandia, guessting, Port, whomever) can notify someone at LA mag article site about a change in forum. But again, it's premature at this point.
The "asset" of aetv is not an asset. After last few weeks, I will never again feel comfortable there. Kev will always be hovering in the background, plus his harem of wives / sock puppets. Rita is useless.
I know that change of any kind can be daunting and scary. But we do need to make a serious move away from aetv. Once we settle into an alternate board you'll wonder why we didn't leave aetv sooner.
Greg ... good to know that you would be willing to be a moderator at alternate proboard. To be discussed later ...
Sandia ... your new concern we'll address at later date. Gotta go for now.
Will be away from computer for few days.
Cheers,
Drifter
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Post by guessting on Jun 15, 2013 10:52:51 GMT -5
Here we go again........... Lepke, there was no need for those comments about "Yanks" and "Brits". I want to leave it at that, but if you feel aetv is the best way forward please keep going there. There was a need for that comment, and it was deliberately a little abrasive, because you guys seem intent in throwing away a huge asset for the sake of a relatively small problem. In my experience Americans are often patriotic, and I want to see you stand and fight (silently), rather than run and hide and hope that you won't be found, which you likely will. Also, I don't subscribe to the idea that anyone can 'bury' anyone else's posts. Like me, I guess that the majority of you, just update yourself on all new posts whenever you check the board. I never miss a post, even if I don't bother reading Kev et al's any longer. To give up so easily on the AETV site, makes me question just how committed some people are to identifying EAR/ONS, because giving up such a great resource, would be a huge step in the wrong direction. Here in the USA you can live and let live. You are FREE in the USA to stay at the AE board. You are not being strong armed to participate in this board. The truth of the matter is; this is not the first time this (trolls) (in fighting) (disruptions) (and numerous other distractions) has happened. We have gone back and forth to this board when the need has been there. I suspect at some point we will end up back at the AE board, not sure, don't care, there was a group conscience taken and this is where we are. Remember, you are free to choose, if you do not like it here.. go to AE or go to both or do whatever it is you want to do. If you are going to stay please quit complaining about it and enjoy the beautiful day! |
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Post by lepke on Jun 15, 2013 13:23:23 GMT -5
There was a need for that comment, and it was deliberately a little abrasive, because you guys seem intent in throwing away a huge asset for the sake of a relatively small problem. In my experience Americans are often patriotic, and I want to see you stand and fight (silently), rather than run and hide and hope that you won't be found, which you likely will. Also, I don't subscribe to the idea that anyone can 'bury' anyone else's posts. Like me, I guess that the majority of you, just update yourself on all new posts whenever you check the board. I never miss a post, even if I don't bother reading Kev et al's any longer. To give up so easily on the AETV site, makes me question just how committed some people are to identifying EAR/ONS, because giving up such a great resource, would be a huge step in the wrong direction. Here in the USA you can live and let live. You are FREE in the USA to stay at the AE board. You are not being strong armed to participate in this board. The truth of the matter is; this is not the first time this (trolls) (in fighting) (disruptions) (and numerous other distractions) has happened. We have gone back and forth to this board when the need has been there. I suspect at some point we will end up back at the AE board, not sure, don't care, there was a group conscience taken and this is where we are. Remember, you are free to choose, if you do not like it here.. go to AE or go to both or do whatever it is you want to do. If you are going to stay please quit complaining about it and enjoy the beautiful day! I am not trying to force anyone into anything. Despite any other ideas that people may have had about me, first and last my presence on either of the boards, has been for the purpose of doing whatever I can to help identify EAR/ONS. With that purpose in mind, I can tell you that when you type 'Original Night Stalker' into Google, along with the Wikipedia article and Arch's site, one of the first things that comes up is the AETV site. It is where anyone interested in exploring further about EAR/ONS will automatically end up, most of the time at least, and is the place that people will come to, in order to make their own contributions. Kev's a sadistic piece a rubbish, and however articulate he can be, when he is boring everyone to death with one his regular essays, largely on unrelated subjects, none of us should forget the vile things that he said about Janelle Cruz, in the full knowledge that her sister was reading them as well, and no doubt designed to torture her. This isn't a question of Brits and Yanks, we are cousins after all, but of how we react to a troll like Kev. Do we give in to him, and abandon what we have spent so long working on, or do we fight back, not physically or even verbally, but with silence, denying him the rise he tries to get by hurting people? People will do whatever the hell they want at the end of the day, when choosing between the two boards, but I have made my position clear, because as far as I am concerned, if history has taught us anything, it is that the likes of Kev need to be stood up to, and shown that they cannot get what they want by throwing their weight around. I'll leave it to Mickey Goldmill to articulate my feelings: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnEST9Z_GP4 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 21:16:40 GMT -5
Hi Everyone,
Do you think the case will ever be solved?
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