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Post by truthandsoul on Jun 15, 2013 22:59:34 GMT -5
Has it ever been considered that GSK was often committing crimes in the "shadows" of other series or known felons...
VR/Oscar Clifton: there was more than one VR, or 2+ working in concert? Our suspect knew Oscar Clifton (convicted, in a somewhat circumstantial way, IMO, of murdering Donna Richmond in the area/time) and planted evidence (Clifton's address book was found at the crime scene) that he was able to obtain having known Clifton (either just as a crime "buddy" or having worked together)? The shear number of VR crimes makes it difficult (for me) to believe it was a single person.
EAR/EAR-B: Our suspect cools down after the Snelling murder, and hears about some rapes happening in the "East Area" of Sacramento and starts committing rapes, with a slightly different MO (binding, dishes, couple, control) than the "first" East Area Rapist? This theory already exists as the EAR-A (our suspect, linked via DNA in the later SB/OC crimes) and EAR-B (the actual "Original EAR") theory...
After the Maggiore murders, our suspect (again, EAR-A) leaves Sacto area and rapes in Contra Costa County (CCC -- Danville, Modesto), Davis, etc. All remaining "EAR" crimes in Sacto area are EAR-B.
ONS/BB: Our suspect (who is in military, gets transferred to Orange County area military base -- I'm just throwing this in) hears about "Bedroom Basher" ("BB" -- later, Gerald Parker is convicted of 6(?) of the 10(?) murders -- the BB series starts during end of EAR-A attacks in CCC) and follows similar MO (raping women alone, bludgeoning deaths) to "hide in the shadows"?
Goleta/Gasby: Our suspect knows Gasby (who is a known convict prior to the Goleta murders) and tries to implicate him in the murders. The area of 2(?) of the attacks is close to Gasby's home. The one-toed German Shepherd. Suspect is in Goleta either because he knows Gasby or trying to stay out of OC after committing some initial crimes.
The lag between Domingo/Sanchez and Cruz confounds me...
Cruz?: Did he know Cruz, or someone that knew her. Someone with a criminal record that could easily be implicated? Cruz meets an ex-convict at the special school she was at. Our suspect happens to know the man, too and see's an opportunity?
So I'm grasping at straws a bit here, but feels like there was some deliberate attempt to "hide in the shadows" of other known serial rapes/murders and/or implicate other known(?) felons to cover his tracks.
Thanks for listening!
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Post by sandia on Jun 15, 2013 23:43:32 GMT -5
I came into the case after the EAR A&B was discredited. You make some excellent points, I didn't bother to read the EAR A&B theories for fear of getting things mixed up in my mind, hard enought to keep things straight. I do think he tried to implicate Glasby and I actually think you are onto something about copying the Bedroom Basher. What are your reasons for thinking that? Rapist/bludgeon/murder is what I've got was there something else I am not considering?
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Post by truthandsoul on Jun 16, 2013 0:14:44 GMT -5
Sandia, Oh, the EAR A/B theory was discredited? What's the reasoning behind that?
Yes, I was just going by MO (rape/bludgeon-murder) for the Bedroom Basher. I need to read more about the BB case, but realizing it was in the same area/time, and had similarities, not to mention, there's unsolved rape/murders from the same area/time.
I don't know enough about Glasby and how he was implicated, other than circumstantially.
Thanks for encouraging me, Sandia!
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Post by sandia on Jun 16, 2013 2:21:42 GMT -5
To Truthandsoul, Oh, sure, I am so glad to have you working on this case and thinking! I like your user name. Yes, I know the EARA&B theory was discredited. I am thinking that the DNA connecting the crimes is why. We probably can find discussions on it on the a&e board and possibly here too. I haven't had time to explore this board yet.
About the bludgeon part though. On second thought he did bludgeon before going to Orange County though. The Smiths in Ventura were bludgeoned. What do you make of that? I wonder if he decided to start bludgeoning because a gun made noise or if he had heard of the Bedroom Basher before he went to the O.C.. I can't get over that he used a gun in a condo! Not some remote farmhouse, not even just a house, but a condo. And what is even more incredible is that he got away and nobody saw him!
Well, about Glasby, until the DNA connection, Santa Barbara still thought Glasby was the killer. Lot of connections. Glasby had been a patient of both Offerman's and Mannings. Glasby and a cohort beat up Offerman's janitor. Glasby was a small time drug dealer, he had a pot growing operation where it was said he used his neighbor's 3 toed white German shepherd as a sentry. Glasby was very mean and violent. He did break in's. A Santa Barbara sheriff said that only two people he knew of used a certain unique break in technique, Glasby and GSK. Investigator Pool disagrees with that. Glasby lived up hill and pretty close to all the Goleta victims and grew up playing in the creek that ran by the unsuccessful first attack on Queen Ann and the same creek ran right past Offerman/Manning and Sanchez/Domingo. Sudden Terror says that a white 3-toed German Shepherd was at the murder scenes of O/M and S/D. The dog's owner (Glasby's neighbor) was completely cleared, he was an older man. LE does not currently believe the dog was connected because the dog was never used in any other crimes. I think it is connected because I think the use of the dog was specifically used to frame Glasby by the GSK. I think GSK knew or knew of Glasby and the dog. I think GSK attempted to frame several other small time drug dealers. So I think there is a drug connection, but a small time drug connection. I think the key might be to find the connection of who knew all the people I "theorize", (it's just a theory), that I believe were framed. Even the car with the parachutte/missile sticker had been owned by a small time drug dealer that was in jail at the time.
Well time for beddie bye. Hope you are having a great evening.
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Post by truthandsoul on Jun 16, 2013 11:46:44 GMT -5
Haha Sandia! Thanks for making me feel welcome. Decided to say what I was feeling having read a bit rather than bottling it up  even if I'm not totally sure what I'm saying yet. I will look to the boards for the EAR A&B theory. Reading the MOs of a few rapes and that (last I read) they only connected a handful of the rapes, via DNA, to ONS, it made sense. To me, the bludgeon is a natural progression from stabbing: Stabbing usually points to an overkill factor. But can create a mess (sorry, if that wasn't diplomatically stated). If he was the VR, and we can link him to the 2 murders there, those were both stabbing murders (I believe). Strangulation is the cleanest, but I don't think it gives the same psychological thrill (to some). Shooting is sometimes the initial method a killer uses before they progress, as it allows them to distance themselves from the murder. Bludgeoning allows the overkill factor, plus if you cover the victim with a blanket (as he did), you can avoid the mess. Also, the initial blow, if well-placed, is enough to kill/incapacitate them, but is still "intimate" enough. There might also be some psychological burden in stabbing someone "in the back", as that's how he might have had the victims lying prior to the murder. I believe he shot (M/O) because there was a problem (O untied the bindings) and that was the quickest way to handle the situation, with M shot due to hysteria. Just like with Prof. Snelling. He was prepared to handle any situation (except the first - failed - attack in Goleta). Its hard to handle a situation with a knife or bludgeon. Obviously, I'm only saying all the above based on what I've read If he lived in OC, there has to be something to traveling all the way to SB/Goleta to commit the crimes. Thank you for all the additional information on Glasby. Yes, feels like a connection there -- a setup. That might have been the draw to Goleta. And Glasby hasn't had to use a "get out of jail free" card or is totally unaware of the state of the GSK case (or he's dead?) that he hasn't put it together himself and gone to LE? |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jun 16, 2013 22:06:33 GMT -5
Sandia, I found a thread on A&E whereby ARCH was trashing the EAR A/B theory (w/out pointing to the smoking gun of its demise -- but could only be DNA evidence, right?), which it appears was originally posited by our forefather JJ of this board.
BTW - It seems trolling and name calling has always been a part of the A&E board! HAHAHA.
But at the same time, I found some threads (started by ARCH, iirc) with the suggestion that there were possibly 2 (or more) suspects present at the Maggiore murder. I'm not saying that suspicion implies both EAR A and EAR B were there, but there were possibly 2 people working in concert. The same was suggested with the VR; one was the prowler, one was the ransacker. I'm just saying you can't have your cake and (always) eat it, too.
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Post by sandia on Jun 17, 2013 1:44:11 GMT -5
Truthandsoul, That's a good point. Until I read the original A&B theory, I have to plead ignorance. My head is swimming full of so much information I am starting to get mixed up not to mention forget stuff. I was afraid of muddeling my brain even further by reading the A/B theory since Arch assured us it had been discredited. He is very knowledgeable on the case so I just am taking his word for it, but now that you are mentioning these things, I should read it when time permits.
A number of people do think that two brothers could have been involved in Visalia. I don't know, but I have an open mind to that possibility. Possibly that could explain the discrepancy in the description of the VR and the EAR/ONS (GSK). One poster pointed out almost simultaneous attacks on one occassion. Now I'm forgetting -- was it the night Professor Snelling was killed or the night Officer McGowen was shot at. My memory! see what I mean. Possibly someone else can weigh in and clear that up. It just takes so long to find this stuff in my notes and in my private messages.
Another thing I would like to look into (but who knows if I'll get around to do it) would be how to capture all my p.m.'s on the board and store them elsewhere, and that goes for all of the posts on the board for the past 3 years. I think we might lose everything on the a&e board like we did about 3 or so years ago. I wonder if there is some service via computer that could do that for a reasonable cost? There were possibly more than two men involved in the Maggiori murders. I am the most familiar with Goleta, but the Maggiori's and Visalia not so much. Arch and Repo had an epic battle on that. They both were very passionate on their theories. It might be a good idea to look that up on the a&e board, they even took pictures and a lot of information came on during their debate.
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Post by lepke on Jun 17, 2013 3:13:20 GMT -5
Truthandsoul, That's a good point. Until I read the original A&B theory, I have to plead ignorance. My head is swimming full of so much information I am starting to get mixed up not to mention forget stuff. I was afraid of muddeling my brain even further by reading the A/B theory since Arch assured us it had been discredited. He is very knowledgeable on the case so I just am taking his word for it, but now that you are mentioning these things, I should read it when time permits. A number of people do think that two brothers could have been involved in Visalia. I don't know, but I have an open mind to that possibility. Possibly that could explain the discrepancy in the description of the VR and the EAR/ONS (GSK). One poster pointed out almost simultaneous attacks on one occassion. Now I'm forgetting -- was it the night Professor Snelling was killed or the night Officer McGowen was shot at. My memory! see what I mean. Possibly someone else can weigh in and clear that up. It just takes so long to find this stuff in my notes and in my private messages. Another thing I would like to look into (but who knows if I'll get around to do it) would be how to capture all my p.m.'s on the board and store them elsewhere, and that goes for all of the posts on the board for the past 3 years. I think we might lose everything on the a&e board like we did about 3 or so years ago. I wonder if there is some service via computer that could do that for a reasonable cost? There were possibly more than two men involved in the Maggiori murders. I am the most familiar with Goleta, but the Maggiori's and Visalia not so much. Arch and Repo had an epic battle on that. They both were very passionate on their theories. It might be a good idea to look that up on the a&e board, they even took pictures and a lot of information came on during their debate. Bearing in mind the DNA, at least with EAR/ONS if not VR, then the only way that the idea of two offenders could work, would be if they were identical twins, which sounds like something from CSI, but is not impossible. I wonder if the police ever checked out men who were identical twins, or even realised that one or two of the people that they spoke to were. What better way to get a good alibi, then pretending that you were your twin, who was actually elsewhere, having whatever story corroborated by unsuspecting acquaintances, and then carrying on with your crimes, having been ruled out as a suspect? One other idea is that there were two VRs, one died or at least stopped offending, and the other went on to be EAR/ONS. |
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Post by privatecitizen on Jun 17, 2013 14:37:31 GMT -5
Hi, all.
There are identical twins that have been speculated about. Supposedly, the FBI wanted them checked and asked LE and local LE didn't think they were worth checking. I don't know the details about that or whether there was a good reason to eliminate them other than one brother didn't seem tied to Sacramento.
One brother was a Marine during all of the alleged crimes. He lived very close to Manuela and Janelle and had relatives closer to a few of the other murder victims. Allegedly Janelle had a major problem with him and he allegedly had his buddies threaten to make things difficult for her if she pursued her allegations against him. He later had significant health problems that may or may not be related problems associated with being a non-secretor. A close relative of his was LE.
The other twin was former Navy. Some of his post Navy jobs were being a pilot for charter companies, working as an investigator for courts, and looks like maybe some land development tossed into the mix.
They are at the upper end of age speculation for the crimes - some people think too old and some people think not too old. They did fit various descriptions of EAR for height, weight, and hair color.
Twins being the perps does sound like a CSI episode, but I hope LE had a sure reason to eliminate them.
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Post by truthandsoul on Jun 17, 2013 16:24:10 GMT -5
Sandia, I should have posted the link to the ARCH's AETV "rant". The search for "ear a ear b" turns up everything. LOL
Was every single EAR rape verified by DNA? I thought it was just the last handful in Contra Costa County...
JJ makes a pretty compelling breakdown of the slightly different MOs.
Enuf that it satisifies my question that one rapist would be so blazenly active in the same small area.
Lemme find that page link...
Otherwise, consider my mind kinda blown thinking about twins! And there was a pair of suspects!
PrivateCitizen (Hello!), are you talking about the person that raped Janelle (prior to ONS)?
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Post by truthandsoul on Jun 17, 2013 16:30:44 GMT -5
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Post by gskonstracker on Jun 17, 2013 16:42:17 GMT -5
"Was every single EAR rape verified by DNA? I thought it was just the last handful in Contra Costa County..."
I'd be interested in knowing this as well.
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Post by sandia on Jun 17, 2013 23:57:12 GMT -5
Albion, I wish Port or guessting or Arch would answer these questions as are the real experts. I hesitate to answer because my notes are in a huge box and I don't have time to look it up and am afraid I may have things mixed up.
This is what I believe about the cars The Olds had the License TOR505 or 505TOR and was spotted on 10/17/76 on Keane Drive.
This next part I am not sure of but I read that there was an older white Chevy with Chrome wheels spotted near the scene of a rape that usually had been driven byh a local dope dealer, initials P.M. but the drug dealer was dead after committing suicide in jail. His father sold the car and apparently won't say to who. I take it when somebody walked up to the car the blond man in the driver's seat suddenly took off.
Then there was a car with the decal with the parachute seen in the vicinity of an attack in 1977, I am forgetting the description of the car it was on.
So Port or guessting or anyone else that knows, can you clarify.
I'm so busy at work right now that I might not be able to keep up on the board for a bit and my notes are not as organized as I would like so please understand if I don't answer a question. I am not the resident expert anyway. Others know much more than I do, so Idon't want to give you the wrong impression.
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Post by sandia on Jun 18, 2013 0:30:05 GMT -5
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Post by sandia on Jun 18, 2013 0:33:34 GMT -5
truthandsoul, thanks! I will catch up on reading that asap. *^_^*
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even if I'm not totally sure what I'm saying yet.