sandia
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Post by sandia on Jul 6, 2013 13:08:06 GMT -5
Would you hover around the phone of your partners parents ? I don't know many, if any, that would. cerulean wrote: If he's a psychopath he probably likes to take chances and be twisted. Making that call so close to your mom or people you know would make him happy. Or it may be the only phone in the house and just happens to be close to where the others are, I think he is probably not married or a longtime partner of the younger woman, because if she were talking about how to pay off loans and he father was givng her advice on how to, her husband or boyfriend would be right there next to her listening, because they would probably share money.Then again he could have said, Hit your dad up for a loan while I make a phone call. That kid sounds so young, he is probably just calling someone else what they call him. You know how real little kids do that? Hey chucklehead sounds like something a boy would call a young kid as opposed to a female. Sandia wrote: Cerulian, Again, really good points. Taking chances, right! A normal person would never do that! and of course we all know GSK is/was not normal! He did get off on taking chances. Really good point. Also, I can picture him being the jerk that he was and do exactly what you said, send in his girlfriend/wife to hit up parents for a loan, while he went to other room to make a phone call. Being a jerk, he might not even ask for permission to use the phone, which it sounds like he didn't, so the older female went in to check on what he was doing. I don't think people in the 70's usually had more than one phone, right? Nothing like today where even little kids have their own cell phones. About the chucklehead comment though, I could see a kid calling his brother that or even another young adult it he had a somewhat playful relationship to that person . |
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Post by cerulean on Jul 6, 2013 13:26:32 GMT -5
Thank you, Sandria. I imagine that if those are his in-laws that they don't like him too much,Maybe he got their daughter hooked on drugs or into criminal activity or maybe he comes over to their house and makes a lot of phone calls. Why would the woman be asking if he is making a call or waiting for a call? It would mean that she didnt know where he was and when she found him she then asked what he was doing. Or he has made longdistance phonecalls on their phone before and it costs them money.
If there are any other calls out there that they still have they should look to see if any of these voices pop up in the background.
one other thing I just thought of or did I read this somewhere else. if he is their son they may have removed a phone from his room due to him making obscene phone calls and he may only have had use of the phone in a public area of the home like the hallway or living room. So his mom asking him what he is doingin regards to the phone makes sense too.
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sandia
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Post by sandia on Jul 6, 2013 14:01:01 GMT -5
I love this board already. It is thought provoking. Everyone is making really good points.
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Post by cerulean on Jul 6, 2013 15:33:45 GMT -5
I love this board already. It is thought provoking. Everyone is making really good points. I agree! Even if I don't understand them all. I just had another thought. If gsk is the young woman's husband or boyfriend then why wouldn't he have just done some burglaries or took money from the victims to pay off this loan? Did he take a large sum of money from any victim around this time? |
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Post by privatecitizen on Jul 6, 2013 18:08:51 GMT -5
I think the younger woman was taking about bail when she mentioned "tells me I got to pay in the loan next year". Why else would she be concerned with going back to jail, you can't go to jail for not paying a loan, that is a civil matter. But if your bail is revoked, your back in the slammer. Does anyone here know much about bail bondsmen? I thought a portion of the bail had to be paid in advance by the defendent before bail would be posted for them or do they take payments? Just trying to thing of possibilities of what the younger female is talking about on the tape. I hear the portion where you point out the woman is saying a name, but dangit, I still can't tell for sure what the name is. Please PM me if you're ready to disclose the name. It's bizarre that EAR (or whoever was making the obscene call) was calling while that many other people were close by. Speaks to his being unable to control himself? |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 6, 2013 20:21:39 GMT -5
I think the younger woman was taking about bail when she mentioned "tells me I got to pay in the loan next year". Why else would she be concerned with going back to jail, you can't go to jail for not paying a loan, that is a civil matter. But if your bail is revoked, your back in the slammer. Does anyone here know much about bail bondsmen? I thought a portion of the bail had to be paid in advance by the defendent before bail would be posted for them or do they take payments? Just trying to thing of possibilities of what the younger female is talking about on the tape. Yes, I think its unusual for a bail bondsmen to take payments, but depending on the conditions, maybe? Usually there's a downpayment, in cash, then some collateral (e.g. a house) against the rest. I assume some portion of the downpayment could be done in payments, but seems to defeat the purpose of being released on bail (if 100% of the bail is not collateralized or cash settled). Usually there's a 10-15% charge retained by the bail bondsmen. Maybe that part they could take payments on because the rest (the actual bond) is due to the court? |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 6, 2013 20:24:14 GMT -5
maybe it could just be payments on something more trivial, like parking tickets? I think payments on that can be made with the courts and if you fall behind, they'll put you in jail.
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sandia
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Post by sandia on Jul 6, 2013 20:35:04 GMT -5
I love this board already. It is thought provoking. Everyone is making really good points. I agree! Even if I don't understand them all. I just had another thought. If gsk is the young woman's husband or boyfriend then why wouldn't he have just done some burglaries or took money from the victims to pay off this loan? Did he take a large sum of money from any victim around this time? Cerulian: AGAIN a really good point. Why wouldn't he have just stolen the money? One of the things about EAR/ONS was that he didn't USUALLY take much money. He would take trinkets and leave things of value. He left, just going on my memory, $1000, once in a home. I hope I'm remembering the sum correctly. I can't recall if or when he took other more significant amounts of money BUT it would be really interesting to see IF he did would it have coincided with this phone call? Having said that though, perhaps he was smart enough to know his wife?, girlfriend? parents? would ask questions as to where he got the money. truthandsoul, thanks for the bail bond info. |
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Post by privatecitizen on Jul 6, 2013 21:32:24 GMT -5
maybe it could just be payments on something more trivial, like parking tickets? I think payments on that can be made with the courts and if you fall behind, they'll put you in jail. Thanks for the bail info above. I think it's more likely she's talking about court fines than bail. Parking tickets, a DUI charge where she was tossed in jail for a night or two before being bailed out, a possession charge, etc. Courts fine you for just about anything if you lose. |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 6, 2013 22:32:46 GMT -5
maybe it could just be payments on something more trivial, like parking tickets? I think payments on that can be made with the courts and if you fall behind, they'll put you in jail. Thanks for the bail info above. I think it's more likely she's talking about court fines than bail. Parking tickets, a DUI charge where she was tossed in jail for a night or two before being bailed out, a possession charge, etc. Courts fine you for just about anything if you lose. right, i was gonna say "alimony payments", but that's usually for males 'natch  |
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Post by drifter on Jul 7, 2013 0:43:37 GMT -5
Maybe EAR made the call from a public phone inside a bail bondsmen establishment, or police precinct. (he he he he)  Drifter |
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Post by cerulean on Jul 7, 2013 16:38:43 GMT -5
Maybe EAR made the call from a public phone inside a bail bondsmen establishment, or police precinct. (he he he he) Drifter She brought her whole family down to ask her dad for a loan, That's got to be the worst plan ever I think relentless is right; it sounds like they are at a dinner table. I remember them asking a few psychologists at the california youth authority what they thought of his homelife. they said that he would have a domineering mother and an older sister. if the older woman is the mother ,then she is domineering the room. she keeps interrupting her husband and daughter when they are talking to one another. I dont know if that is so much different than any other mom thouhg. im also not sure why rapists would be thought to have older sisters unless a lot have sisters that abused them in some way. if that is his oldr sister, than how old is he because she sounds really young. |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 7, 2013 20:07:29 GMT -5
I think the older sister or mother becomes the object of their desire and they feel badly about those thoughts, but act out their fantasies on other women.
The Green River Killer - Gary Ridgway, had a domineering mother that he had a conflicted sexual attraction to.
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 7, 2013 23:43:44 GMT -5
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Post by relentless on Jul 8, 2013 0:06:04 GMT -5
Albion, the victim was home alone when she received the call, per LE. However, it is possible that any tv sounds could have came from either side of the call. I don't think it was a tv but others disagree.
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Post by drifter on Jul 8, 2013 1:00:53 GMT -5
albion, your questions are not dumb at all; they're quite germane.
relentless, that's interesting that the background chatter could have come from a tv set, on either side of the phone line.
But if it was a tv on the caller's side, wouldn't that still imply a private residence? If it were a public place, would think real-life sounds would have been intermixed with the tv chatter.
Just thinking out loud.
Drifter
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Post by relentless on Jul 8, 2013 1:35:59 GMT -5
it's possible that there is a mix of tv and real conversation.
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Post by lepke on Jul 8, 2013 3:11:06 GMT -5
I have a basic question, not sure if it is dumb yet, so.... How do we know that the background sounds are from his end of the conversation? There also seems to be an incredible amount of static on the line, was it a party line? I was talking to a first line manager for the local phone company and was asking him questions. I have the hardest time not telling people why I am asking these questions but still. Anyway he said that is not uncommon for employees to eavesdrop on the conversations. He mentioned one technician that fell in love with a college girl and, after work, would go to the x-box distribution pedestal near her house and listen in on calls. He would use his company issued "butt-in" set and then "alligator" clip to the copper pair. He could make calls from that set and monitor them. Every time that the clips would move static would occur. I have a set and they are not much bigger than an old style telephone. The idea of someone finding a way to eavesdrop on the telephone conversations of others is very interesting, and I think that if EAR/ONS had an opportunity to do such things he would have taken it. The pertinent question, based on that idea, is which people would have been in a position to access the distribution pedestals? |
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Post by relentless on Jul 8, 2013 14:42:27 GMT -5
albion, your questions are not dumb at all; they're quite germane. relentless, that's interesting that the background chatter could have come from a tv set, on either side of the phone line. But if it was a tv on the caller's side, wouldn't that still imply a private residence? If it were a public place, would think real-life sounds would have been intermixed with the tv chatter. Just thinking out loud. Drifter |
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Post by relentless on Jul 8, 2013 14:43:43 GMT -5
I suspect the call was coming from a private residence.
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Post by relentless on Jul 9, 2013 5:49:51 GMT -5
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Post by ebe777 on Jul 9, 2013 14:00:25 GMT -5
I still think it's as simple as he went into another room and turned up the TV so whoever else was in the house couldn't hear....
One more thing that makes me think this was a very young (considering) offender who was living with his folks or grandparents at the time.... Otherwise, you'd think he'd want his threats to be loud and clear. So, why have a TV going full volume in the background unless it was absolutely necessary He probably had a single mother and sisters who were the real targets of his misdirected rage.
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 9, 2013 16:18:19 GMT -5
I still think it's as simple as he went into another room and turned up the TV so whoever else was in the house couldn't hear.... One more thing that makes me think this was a very young (considering) offender who was living with his folks or grandparents at the time.... Otherwise, you'd think he'd want his threats to be loud and clear. So, why have a TV going full volume in the background unless it was absolutely necessary He probably had a single mother and sisters who were the real targets of his misdirected rage. ebe777, join us at the new board: earonsgsk.proboards.com/we'd love to have ya! |
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Post by ebe777 on Jul 9, 2013 16:32:53 GMT -5
I still think it's as simple as he went into another room and turned up the TV so whoever else was in the house couldn't hear.... One more thing that makes me think this was a very young (considering) offender who was living with his folks or grandparents at the time.... Otherwise, you'd think he'd want his threats to be loud and clear. So, why have a TV going full volume in the background unless it was absolutely necessary He probably had a single mother and sisters who were the real targets of his misdirected rage. ebe777, join us at the new board: earonsgsk.proboards.com/we'd love to have ya! Done!  Thank you kindly. |
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Post by brunstar on Jul 11, 2013 21:28:24 GMT -5
I downloaded the phone call and two thoughts:
Is it me or is the adult female at the 17 or 18 second mark say, "Tell me you're not hanging around with him?" Might have also been, "Oh God, tell me you're not hanging around with him?"
At the 45 second mark it sounds like, "Were you going to make a call? I can't even get him to pick up the phone."
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 11, 2013 23:33:39 GMT -5
I downloaded the phone call and two thoughts: Is it me or is the adult female at the 17 or 18 second mark say, "Tell me you're not hanging around with him?" Might have also been, "Oh God, tell me you're not hanging around with him?" At the 45 second mark it sounds like, "Were you going to make a call? I can't even get him to pick up the phone." brunstar, please join us at the new board: earonsgsk.proboards.com/to discuss this recording: earonsgsk.proboards.com/thread/24/january-1978-phone-call-victimand anything else that comes up! |
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