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Post by dancartell on Jun 28, 2013 18:15:13 GMT -5
On the AETV board Arch mentioned that EAR contacted a victim around the time the DNA link between the NorCal and the SoCal crimes was made , I dont know if you all have seen it but I was amazed at that revelation - it is quite significant .......
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Post by drifter on Jun 28, 2013 21:18:42 GMT -5
Would have been nice if Arch had had the courtesy to share his information with us here. Instead, he chooses to hobnob with his troll buddies over at aetv.
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Post by gskonstracker on Jun 29, 2013 1:03:39 GMT -5
I find it odd that LE did not release this information with the LA Magazine story. This is very significant because it accounts for a huge chunk of time when he was supposed to be dead. It just shows that GSK has the ability to surface and go underground for long periods of time. It also tells me that we should be looking for couple murders or similar activities in the 1990's. 2002 was not that long ago.
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Post by samk on Jun 29, 2013 1:39:45 GMT -5
I think he would be an older guy now approaching retirement age with some specific health.
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Post by sandia on Jun 29, 2013 2:01:06 GMT -5
I do wish Arch would join us here. I invited him and he responded very nicely and I'll just say that he has some personal reasons to not post on this board. I just wish nobody would respond to the T R O L L S over at a&e, yippee, I can say that horrendous word here, lol. I know, I need to heed my own advice and I am going to from now on if it kills me. I have no doubt they would go away if everybody completely ignored them.
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Post by sandia on Jun 29, 2013 2:14:13 GMT -5
On the AETV board Arch mentioned that EAR contacted a victim around the time the DNA link between the NorCal and the SoCal crimes was made , I dont know if you all have seen it but I was amazed at that revelation - it is quite significant ....... Yes, Dan I think that is interesting and creepy. It brings home that he may really still be alive and on the loose (hopefully in a wheelchair at least). And then the a&e user ID "ear" was created in 2000 just prior to the Cold Case Files program about the EAR/ONS was created, although it didn't air until 2001, then on 5/4/09 the anniversary of Janelle, whoever read a private message to "ear" that said "whose this" but did not respond. Very creepy. That seems to indicate he is monitoring the board. |
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Post by drifter on Jun 29, 2013 3:48:04 GMT -5
There are two separate issues here.
The first is the A&E user ID in year 2000 and subsequent Janelle Cruz anniversary date incident at A&E.
The second is the EAR victim phone call in year 2002.
The first could, at least in theory, be innocent and/or coincidental. I think it has somewhat less significance.
But the second (the phone call to victim) is indeed interesting. Unless someone the victim knew was playing a practical joke on her (a joke in very poor taste I might add), then the call probably did originate with the ONS.
That the victim changed her phone number to one that was unlisted is the single most important point. How did he get that unlisted number?
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Post by lepke on Jun 29, 2013 5:38:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't treat the A&E user ID as proof of anything, although who knows on that score. As for the phone calls, and they were either made or they were not, and they were either by EAR/ONS or they were not, and at this stage, I am not convinced either way on either issue.
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Post by guessting on Jun 29, 2013 10:58:30 GMT -5
The Ear member profile that was made in capital letters (EAR) was created on the anniversary of the Maggiore's death. Just another one of those coincidences or??
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Post by gskonstracker on Jun 29, 2013 11:43:10 GMT -5
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Post by samk on Jun 29, 2013 12:47:02 GMT -5
If the time comes in the future and LE starts to narrow in on who the ear/ons is then they and these two boards should not want to tip him off. I believe ear/ons most likely may not have wanted to be captured alive if he is still alive because he did not want to bring shame and disgrace to his family. Most likely his family may have been prominent in the Sacramento area. So he may preferred death than disgracing them. We must keep that in mind when posting if the time comes.
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Post by sandia on Jun 29, 2013 13:35:12 GMT -5
There are two separate issues here. The first is the A&E user ID in year 2000 and subsequent Janelle Cruz anniversary date incident at A&E. The second is the EAR victim phone call in year 2002. The first could, at least in theory, be innocent and/or coincidental. I think it has somewhat less significance. But the second (the phone call to victim) is indeed interesting. Unless someone the victim knew was playing a practical joke on her (a joke in very poor taste I might add), then the call probably did originate with the ONS. That the victim changed her phone number to one that was unlisted is the single most important point. How did he get that unlisted number? Drifter YES!!!! That is what stood out to me, "how did he get that unlisted number", who would have access to it? Someone who worked at the phone company? someone in LE? who else? It seems to be a very big clue "If" that really was a call from GSK. |
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Post by sandia on Jun 29, 2013 13:38:46 GMT -5
There is a person who posts under the screen name "ons" and he/she is in Germany. I believe it is a female. So that is a separate identity and is not tied in with the what Arch and g are talking about. I contacted that ons and she answered me and she posted a number of posts on the board.
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Post by sandia on Jun 29, 2013 13:43:10 GMT -5
If the time comes in the future and LE starts to narrow in on who the ear/ons is then they and these two boards should not want to tip him off. I believe ear/ons most likely may not have wanted to be captured alive if he is still alive because he did not want to bring shame and disgrace to his family. Most likely his family may have been prominent in the Sacramento area. So he may preferred death than disgracing them. We must keep that in mind when posting if the time comes. samk, Good point. I do remember reading a profiler's assessment of GSK that said he would likely commit suicide if about to be caught. I agree, we don't want that. The only thing I disagree with you on is that I don't think he would be thinking of his family at all, he would be thinking only of himself. |
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Post by drifter on Jun 29, 2013 23:50:35 GMT -5
Based on Arch's messages here are the facts:
1. Throughout the time period from the year 2000 to 2013, occasional TV programs and articles publicized the EAR/ONS crimes.
2. Someone created an aetv profile identified as "ear" on September 29, 2000. This date does not correspond to any apparent crime anniversary.
3. Someone created an aetv profile identified as "EAR" on February 2, 2002. This date is anniversary of Maggiore murders. Whoever created the "EAR" profile may or may not be the same person that created the "ear" profile.
4. The "ear" profile creator read a private message (PM) on May 4, 2009. The PM asked the profile creator the question "Who are you?"; creator of profile did not respond. May 4, 2009 is anniversary of Janelle Cruz murder.
Analysis
The "ear" account, created on an apparent random day, is not particularly suspicious.
That the "ear" creator responded to a PM on date of J. Cruz death also is not necessarily suspicious. It would depend on when the PM was sent. The closer to May 4th the PM was sent, the less suspicious, simply because most people will respond to a PM in a fairly short time after having received it. In that case, the person sending the PM could be construed to be just as suspicious as the "ear" person to whom the PM was sent. Since the sender is unlikely to be suspicious, the "reading" of the PM on an important date strikes me as not particularly important.
The "EAR" profile is far more interesting.
The statistical probability that its creation on the date of Maggiore killing is coincidental equals ... one in 365. That's way, way beyond statistical significance. Normally, statistical significance occurs with ratios exceeding one in twenty, or sometimes one in thirty ... but never one in 365.
Even if you add together all of EAR/ONS known attacks (let's say 50), the odds that the profile would be created on any of these anniversary dates is roughly ... 13 percent. Or alternately, there's an 87 percent probability that the profile creation date is not coincidental to these series of crimes.
We can therefore conclude that the fact that the profile was created on an important anniversary is not coincidental.
So what are we to make of this non-coincidental "EAR" profile.
There are three possibilities ...
1. The "EAR" profile was indeed created by the EAR/ONS.
2. The "EAR" profile was created by an innocent party in Sacramento (or elsewhere) who knew about the Maggiore murders, and wanted to discuss the murders with others. This innocent party could have been a victim or a relative of a victim or a neighbor or even LE person interested in the Maggiore case.
3. The "EAR" profile was created by someone other than the EAR/ONS who is not innocent, specifically ... the killer of the Maggiores.
Scenario 2 contains far more people, and therefore potential for profile creation, than scenarios 1 and 3 combined. Statistically, it would seem that the most likely explanation is that the "EAR" profile was created by an innocent third party. Except that ...
The year 2002 happens to be the same year in which a Sacramento victim received a call apparently from the EAR, a call made to the victim's ... unlisted number.
That the two events (creation of "EAR" profile on an important anniversary date, AND a suspicious call to a victim) occurred in same year (2002) could still be coincidental. But it is statistically unlikely.
Ergo, there is major statistical significance that these two events are somehow related.
In summary ...
To infer that the creator of the "ear" account is our killer is a weak argument, for reasons above stated.
To infer that the creator of the "EAR" account is our killer is a considerably stronger argument, but not 100 percent certain.
I'm convinced the "EAR" profile was created by someone with an interest in this case. But that does not mean that it was created by our killer. Still, it is more suspicious than the "ear" profile, especially when combined with the timing of the victim phone call.
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Post by samk on Jun 30, 2013 0:03:53 GMT -5
BTK was apprehended in 2005. Unless ear/ons was hiding out in a cave most likely he would have heard or read about BTK arrest and the reasons why BTK was arrested. I do not think the ear/ons would have risked posting online after the arrest and sentencing of BTK. But Drifter knows more about stats than me so I could be wrong.
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Post by drifter on Jun 30, 2013 0:18:55 GMT -5
BTK was apprehended in 2005. Unless ear/ons was hiding out in a cave most likely he would have heard or read about BTK arrest and the reasons why BTK was arrested. I do not think the ear/ons would have risked posting online after the arrest and sentencing of ear/ons. But Drifter knows more about stats than me so I could be wrong. I could be wrong too!  Am just trying to sort through Arch's muddled messages to extract the important points. One thing I would point out is that BTK's apprehension in 2005 is three years after the "EAR" profile was created. So back in 2002, our guy did not know about BTK's arrest. Given that EAR/ONS was curious about the press coverage of his crimes, during 70s and 80s, I would think his internet curiosity would explode. Drifter |
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Post by samk on Jun 30, 2013 0:21:54 GMT -5
Good point drifter
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Post by lepke on Jun 30, 2013 9:03:44 GMT -5
We cannot conclude that the creation of the EAR profile on a particular date was not coincidental. Going with the 13% figure, and there is a significant chance that it was coincidental, even though the chances are it was not.
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Post by dancartell on Jun 30, 2013 15:06:40 GMT -5
There are two separate issues here. The first is the A&E user ID in year 2000 and subsequent Janelle Cruz anniversary date incident at A&E. The second is the EAR victim phone call in year 2002. The first could, at least in theory, be innocent and/or coincidental. I think it has somewhat less significance. But the second (the phone call to victim) is indeed interesting. Unless someone the victim knew was playing a practical joke on her (a joke in very poor taste I might add), then the call probably did originate with the ONS. That the victim changed her phone number to one that was unlisted is the single most important point. How did he get that unlisted number? Drifter I have also agonized over how he could get an unlisted number and several ideas came to mind: -he could have got it off mail lists - telemarketing companies for example buy such data from market research firms - the victim may have unwittingly given out her number online on social networks or by signing an online petition or something of that nature -EAR could possibly use data mining to track his victims - the victims details could be on the electoral register and if someone has the time and desire to look through such a list then "bingo" The thing that I would really like to know is which victim was this that he called recently? Was it Ms Lopez from Sudden Terror ? I would also be interested in knowing whether its the same victim he called in 1990/1991 ? |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 1, 2013 10:40:19 GMT -5
There was/is an AETV user "clarice" that I presume was an EAR victim, that posted this about 3 years ago. I believe she is the link that is being referred to. It is a well known fact that he called people from 1991. He called me from 1991-1993 more than any period of time. He called me and claimed to have killed people in two other cases that are unsolved. He claimed to have stabbed someone in one of the Gypsy Hill murder cases (mostly Contra Costa County), and also unsolved South Coast/Bedroom Basher (Central & South Orange County). He said he has murdered more people ...
It is my belief from these frequent phone calls (1991-93) when I was a young teen that he had begun abducting people and torturing them. I also believe that he tortures people and takes photos, or video now. He claimed to visit the corpses and get off on it ... I know he has probably gotten worse since them which is why he needs to be caught ASAP!
Periods of time where phone calls were the worst are 1988, 1991-1993,1997-1998, 2003, 2005, 2009. He has a 3 month pattern for phone calls every time I moved, or changed my number. He would call for 3 months and hangup, 3 months of heavy breathing followed, 3 months of obscene phone calls, 3 months of obscene phone calls w/ death threats (and describing what I did or wore), 3 months of death threats and him describing old murders or supposed recent murders. There was a time in 1998 where young children were heard in the background, and he would make them ask for people on the phone. The all time worst periods were 1991-93, and 2009.
I am sure other victims, or their friends or family members have experienced the same thing. |
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Post by relentless on Jul 1, 2013 11:20:09 GMT -5
Good post truth. How has this guy not been caught?
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Post by gskonstracker on Jul 1, 2013 12:17:05 GMT -5
Oh that is not good! That gives me a bad feeling from the top of my head to the bottom of my toes. There was/is an AETV user "clarice" that I presume was an EAR victim, that posted this about 3 years ago. I believe she is the link that is being referred to. It is a well known fact that he called people from 1991. He called me from 1991-1993 more than any period of time. He called me and claimed to have killed people in two other cases that are unsolved. He claimed to have stabbed someone in one of the Gypsy Hill murder cases (mostly Contra Costa County), and also unsolved South Coast/Bedroom Basher (Central & South Orange County). He said he has murdered more people ...
It is my belief from these frequent phone calls (1991-93) when I was a young teen that he had begun abducting people and torturing them. I also believe that he tortures people and takes photos, or video now. He claimed to visit the corpses and get off on it ... I know he has probably gotten worse since them which is why he needs to be caught ASAP!
Periods of time where phone calls were the worst are 1988, 1991-1993,1997-1998, 2003, 2005, 2009. He has a 3 month pattern for phone calls every time I moved, or changed my number. He would call for 3 months and hangup, 3 months of heavy breathing followed, 3 months of obscene phone calls, 3 months of obscene phone calls w/ death threats (and describing what I did or wore), 3 months of death threats and him describing old murders or supposed recent murders. There was a time in 1998 where young children were heard in the background, and he would make them ask for people on the phone. The all time worst periods were 1991-93, and 2009.
I am sure other victims, or their friends or family members have experienced the same thing. |
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Post by lepke on Jul 1, 2013 12:57:06 GMT -5
There was/is an AETV user "clarice" that I presume was an EAR victim, that posted this about 3 years ago. I believe she is the link that is being referred to. It is a well known fact that he called people from 1991. He called me from 1991-1993 more than any period of time. He called me and claimed to have killed people in two other cases that are unsolved. He claimed to have stabbed someone in one of the Gypsy Hill murder cases (mostly Contra Costa County), and also unsolved South Coast/Bedroom Basher (Central & South Orange County). He said he has murdered more people ...
It is my belief from these frequent phone calls (1991-93) when I was a young teen that he had begun abducting people and torturing them. I also believe that he tortures people and takes photos, or video now. He claimed to visit the corpses and get off on it ... I know he has probably gotten worse since them which is why he needs to be caught ASAP!
Periods of time where phone calls were the worst are 1988, 1991-1993,1997-1998, 2003, 2005, 2009. He has a 3 month pattern for phone calls every time I moved, or changed my number. He would call for 3 months and hangup, 3 months of heavy breathing followed, 3 months of obscene phone calls, 3 months of obscene phone calls w/ death threats (and describing what I did or wore), 3 months of death threats and him describing old murders or supposed recent murders. There was a time in 1998 where young children were heard in the background, and he would make them ask for people on the phone. The all time worst periods were 1991-93, and 2009.
I am sure other victims, or their friends or family members have experienced the same thing. Let's hope this is not true. |
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Post by samk on Jul 1, 2013 13:37:56 GMT -5
There was/is an AETV user "clarice" that I presume was an EAR victim, that posted this about 3 years ago. I believe she is the link that is being referred to. It is a well known fact that he called people from 1991. He called me from 1991-1993 more than any period of time. He called me and claimed to have killed people in two other cases that are unsolved. He claimed to have stabbed someone in one of the Gypsy Hill murder cases (mostly Contra Costa County), and also unsolved South Coast/Bedroom Basher (Central & South Orange County). He said he has murdered more people ...
It is my belief from these frequent phone calls (1991-93) when I was a young teen that he had begun abducting people and torturing them. I also believe that he tortures people and takes photos, or video now. He claimed to visit the corpses and get off on it ... I know he has probably gotten worse since them which is why he needs to be caught ASAP!
Periods of time where phone calls were the worst are 1988, 1991-1993,1997-1998, 2003, 2005, 2009. He has a 3 month pattern for phone calls every time I moved, or changed my number. He would call for 3 months and hangup, 3 months of heavy breathing followed, 3 months of obscene phone calls, 3 months of obscene phone calls w/ death threats (and describing what I did or wore), 3 months of death threats and him describing old murders or supposed recent murders. There was a time in 1998 where young children were heard in the background, and he would make them ask for people on the phone. The all time worst periods were 1991-93, and 2009.
I am sure other victims, or their friends or family members have experienced the same thing. In 2009 the ear/ons would be an old man then. Investigator Pool may have believed that he was an older perp when he started (around 28 to 30 years old) so in 2009 he would have been an old man. I don't believe ear/ons would have taken this risk in 2009 unless he can no longer control himself. |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 1, 2013 13:39:59 GMT -5
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Post by samk on Jul 1, 2013 13:41:41 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this.
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Post by headjunk on Jul 1, 2013 15:22:08 GMT -5
Clarice is just one of those people that know some details about that case and craft stories around them. She's a known bullshitter with probable other usernames too.
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Post by lepke on Jul 1, 2013 16:37:24 GMT -5
Having read the thread (I'm a poet, but didn't know it), I would take what was written with a biiiiiiiiiig pinch of salt. |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 2, 2013 12:36:01 GMT -5
I don't disagree that it should be taken with a grain of salt, but several of the things she mentions (phone calls in 90s and as late as 2009, other unsolved homicides in OC and the Gyspy Hill murders) tie-in with other "rumors" that are outside the canonical crimes of the EAR/ONS.
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