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Post by cerulean on Jul 2, 2013 16:28:49 GMT -5
I find it odd that LE did not release this information with the LA Magazine story. This is very significant because it accounts for a huge chunk of time when he was supposed to be dead. It just shows that GSK has the ability to surface and go underground for long periods of time. If that's true, I'm with you. Why wouldn't they tell the public? You would think that would only fuel the search for him further. Also, citizens have a right to know that one of the biggest serial killers in the state is still out there. I think the people of Witchita were aware that BTK was never caught. In contrast it looks like everyone forgot about this murderer. Which also makes me think, were there any other recent serial murderers in California that were not caught and also wiped from the collective mind of the people? It is such a mysterious case. |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 3, 2013 0:07:00 GMT -5
I find it odd that LE did not release this information with the LA Magazine story. This is very significant because it accounts for a huge chunk of time when he was supposed to be dead. It just shows that GSK has the ability to surface and go underground for long periods of time. If that's true, I'm with you. Why wouldn't they tell the public? You would think that would only fuel the search for him further. Also, citizens have a right to know that one of the biggest serial killers in the state is still out there. I think the people of Witchita were aware that BTK was never caught. In contrast it looks like everyone forgot about this murderer. Which also makes me think, were there any other recent serial murderers in California that were not caught and also wiped from the collective mind of the people? It is such a mysterious case. Well, I think the Zodiac would fit the case you've suggested (although there's an active online culture for him). There's a handful of other CA murders that are suspected to be part of a single killer's series with no apparent suspects. I know of a few other states were a similar situation exists (like Long Island, NY). These have gone on for decades. I think LE has learned that it is not best practice to announce serial killers, especially when they're very far having a viable suspect. In the 80s, and then via DNA, the announcement of the EAR/ONS serial killer/rapist was already made. The media did what they could to sell a few papers out of it and now its not much of a story until the next shoe drops. Also, I believe LE has learned to keep some of the details of the crimes to themselves for various reasons. Who knows what else they have that we continue to try to determine on our own? I don't have any specifics. But the basic thing is keeping some information private so if they do get a confession, they have some means to corroborate that via the private information from their investigation. The information (that he is still at-large) is out there, right? I mean, we're here...LE's not hiding that fact. But all the presumptions of him being alive or dead, or incarcerated are speculation. As is the presumption that there's additional information/details that will lead to his identification (if alive or dead). But ignorance is bliss, right? My wife doesn't want to hear about this stuff. |
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Post by drifter on Jul 3, 2013 3:18:04 GMT -5
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LE has conditioned everyone to think they have important "private" information that they cannot divulge to the public.
They most certainly do have information that they keep to themselves. But how important do you think it is? Year after year, decade after decade, they keep this stuff to themselves without making an arrest. Even relatively new info can't be all that valuable, given the ongoing absence of an arrest.
And why would LE need a "confession", when they've got the guy's DNA? Just as backup? Some backup strategy would not speak well of their confidence in their own DNA evidence.
Despite pronouncements to the contrary from Arch and other posters, I seriously question whether LE has made much progress on this case in last few years. I think it's mostly just smoke and mirrors.
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Post by lepke on Jul 3, 2013 7:23:41 GMT -5
Law enforcement need to just release whatever they have that can help the public to assist them with identifying EAR/ONS. What could they possibly need to hold back, when they have the bastard's DNA?
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 3, 2013 10:42:43 GMT -5
truthandsoul wrote: LE has conditioned everyone to think they have important "private" information that they cannot divulge to the public. They most certainly do have information that they keep to themselves. But how important do you think it is? Year after year, decade after decade, they keep this stuff to themselves without making an arrest. Even relatively new info can't be all that valuable, given the ongoing absence of an arrest. And why would LE need a "confession", when they've got the guy's DNA? Just as backup? Some backup strategy would not speak well of their confidence in their own DNA evidence. Despite pronouncements to the contrary from Arch and other posters, I seriously question whether LE has made much progress on this case in last few years. I think it's mostly just smoke and mirrors. Drifter Drifter, Indeed, I'm playing devil's (LE's) advocate; assume they know something important we don't. Assume they know how to handle public reaction (better than we think they do). Assume they have some policies that limit the amount of information about a case they public. I know: assume, assume, assume. Believe me, I'm no fan of LE. I think a confession goes a long way towards a conviction. So does DNA, obviously. It could be that old policies, prior to DNA-based evidence, still require them to play some cards close to their chest. BUT, we know that they don't have DNA evidence in all the cases (Santa Barbara murders, right?). "We know you murdered Withuhn and Cruz. We think you murdered Domingo/Sanchez... How about writing us a nice confession and we'll eliminate the death penalty?" LOL. Right, they don't have DNA in ALL the canonical ONS cases? Only OC connecting to CCC EAR rapes (which are past SOL). So I'm on your side (really, I am!  ) and I have my doubts in the validity of Arch's pronouncments about LE's progress. But I do hold out the hope in the seemingly unlikely probability that they do have some information (not the least of which would be a viable suspect) which could be used to bust this case. |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 3, 2013 10:58:49 GMT -5
Law enforcement need to just release whatever they have that can help the public to assist them with identifying EAR/ONS. What could they possibly need to hold back, when they have the bastard's DNA? I'd love that, too! Don't get me wrong. But realize doing so could be put us in harm's way. Going back a bit in this post; he's not currently an emminent threat. Why alarm the public by announcing a 70ish year-old serial-killer is still at large? I think when Southern CA was dealing with Richard Ramirez/the Nightstalker they really caused a scare down there when they announced there was a serial killer. In the end, I think it helped, in that people were more vigilant (and in fact, he was captured by the public). But it also put a lot of pressure on LE to capture him, when they knew very little at the time. |
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Post by gskonstracker on Jul 3, 2013 14:24:46 GMT -5
Going back a bit in this post; he's not currently an emminent threat. Why alarm the public by announcing a 70ish year-old serial-killer is still at large?
I believe that his age is closer to 60, and he is still a huge threat. Especially, if his calling activities continued through 2009. Who knows what this person with an inability to control his rape and murder fantasies is doing today. But, it would be wise of LE to consider this murderer "at large" and a "clear and present danger."
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Post by lepke on Jul 3, 2013 14:57:55 GMT -5
Law enforcement need to just release whatever they have that can help the public to assist them with identifying EAR/ONS. What could they possibly need to hold back, when they have the bastard's DNA? I'd love that, too! Don't get me wrong. But realize doing so could be put us in harm's way. Going back a bit in this post; he's not currently an emminent threat. Why alarm the public by announcing a 70ish year-old serial-killer is still at large? I think when Southern CA was dealing with Richard Ramirez/the Nightstalker they really caused a scare down there when they announced there was a serial killer. In the end, I think it helped, in that people were more vigilant (and in fact, he was captured by the public). But it also put a lot of pressure on LE to capture him, when they knew very little at the time. Either the cops want to do all they can to see him caught or they don't. I would think that he is closer to sixty than seventy anyhow, if he is still alive. |
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) and I have my doubts in the validity of Arch's pronouncments about LE's progress. But I do hold out the hope in the seemingly unlikely probability that they do have some information (not the least of which would be a viable suspect) which could be used to bust this case.