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Post by gskonstracker on Jul 5, 2013 16:32:34 GMT -5
If you want to defeat the Trolls at A&E you must do the following:
1) Spot all troll posts immediately, everyone should be responsible for this. If you are on the board you are on Troll Patrol.
2) Quote the last legitimate post, even if you don't agree with it. Make one comment as to not be spam. In the Subject refer to the Poster you are quoting so they know it's an anti-troll measure.
3) Ignore all trolls period.
4) Soon they will cry and go away.
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 5, 2013 20:22:10 GMT -5
i'm with you on all that, but history and human nature has shown that at least one person can't #3 and that makes #4 impossible to reach. As Greg posted, we started a new board. I know it feels back and forth, and we need a home, but I think a moderated board is the way to go. I'll make a better pitch for the new board this weekend  |
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Post by relentless on Jul 6, 2013 0:07:03 GMT -5
It has been like a vacation posting on this board, with no drama or trolls, and now there is another board that looks good. I think A&E is done, which is sad because a lot of good people put a lot of hard work into that board but the trolls (Yes Rita,they are trolls) have made it unusable for working on this case and communicating with others about the case.
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Post by sandia on Jul 6, 2013 2:44:09 GMT -5
If you want to defeat the Trolls at A&E you must do the following: 1) Spot all troll posts immediately, everyone should be responsible for this. If you are on the board you are on Troll Patrol. 2) Quote the last legitimate post, even if you don't agree with it. Make one comment as to not be spam. In the Subject refer to the Poster you are quoting so they know it's an anti-troll measure. 3) Ignore all trolls period. 4) Soon they will cry and go away. Hi gskonstracker: I think I am being a little dense. I want to follow your suggestion because my main goal is to reclaim our a&e board. It has a lot of valuable information in old posts on it, old posters come back from time to time to check in and may not find us, new posters might not find us and leave never to return etc. Where I am confused is #2 above. So you say to quote their last legitimate post (that might be really hard to find and even when Kev makes a seemingly legitimate point about not posting poi's real names or us being vigilantes and possibly interfering with LE, I don't want to recognize his points because I find them disingenuous, so I am a bit lost on #2, and also I am confused as it seems by doing that we are not ignoring them. Am I missing something? Could you just clarify your plan. I really want to find a clever way to defeat them and all I can come up with is don't even read what they say for fear we will be baited into responding, and don't respond. But as others have mentioned, so far that hasn't been successful. |
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Post by lepke on Jul 6, 2013 10:06:04 GMT -5
If you want to defeat the Trolls at A&E you must do the following: 1) Spot all troll posts immediately, everyone should be responsible for this. If you are on the board you are on Troll Patrol. 2) Quote the last legitimate post, even if you don't agree with it. Make one comment as to not be spam. In the Subject refer to the Poster you are quoting so they know it's an anti-troll measure. 3) Ignore all trolls period. 4) Soon they will cry and go away. Hi gskonstracker: I think I am being a little dense. I want to follow your suggestion because my main goal is to reclaim our a&e board. It has a lot of valuable information in old posts on it, old posters come back from time to time to check in and may not find us, new posters might not find us and leave never to return etc. Where I am confused is #2 above. So you say to quote their last legitimate post (that might be really hard to find and even when Kev makes a seemingly legitimate point about not posting poi's real names or us being vigilantes and possibly interfering with LE, I don't want to recognize his points because I find them disingenuous, so I am a bit lost on #2, and also I am confused as it seems by doing that we are not ignoring them. Am I missing something? Could you just clarify your plan. I really want to find a clever way to defeat them and all I can come up with is don't even read what they say for fear we will be baited into responding, and don't respond. But as others have mentioned, so far that hasn't been successful. It was starting to work until Arch gave Kev exactly what he wanted... |
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Post by gskonstracker on Jul 6, 2013 11:01:29 GMT -5
I agree with Lepke, Arch did make it worse. Those guys are disrupting the way I read the threads. I ususally remember who posted last on a topic I was reading and then when I come to the board I look to see if there were any additional posts and by who. Now I see nothing but sailboats, cats, blue boxes and chandeliers.
My idea is to make these icons go away. If you come to the board and you see an icon from these rude and self centered idiots, post over them by quoting the last post from someone that is not these guys. The user agreement says you can't spam, but you can make comments on old post. Just do it over eveything they say. If it's not just one person, then Rita can't say you are spamming these "Non-Trolls who make for lively discussions."
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Post by sandia on Jul 6, 2013 11:04:20 GMT -5
To gskonstracker: O.K. It is official. I'm dense all right, lol. I reread your post for the third time and finally understand what you meant. So you meant flag and comment on the last legitimate poster's post, not the last legitimate post of the troll. Duh!!! So please excuse my confusion above lol
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Post by sandia on Jul 6, 2013 11:22:33 GMT -5
An appeal: I would like to request we all make a valiant attempt to be polite to each other. Attacking Arch is counterproductive. Arch has made mistakes and I agree that his "well-intentioned" attempt to save our a&e board was a big mistake on his part. We are all human and make mistakes, but Arch, in particular, deserves a lot of respect due to his many years of dedication to this case. He has a lot of knowledge and inside information. He may not be at liberty to share all he knows but he can really help stop misinformation from taking over. Port has corrected me when I posted something in error and I really appreciate her setting the facts straight. Arch can do that too. I find his debate with Repoman to be unfortunate and I don't have an opinion on who was right, I just wish they both would shake hands and continue to post. I hope Arch will change his mind and join us if we can't defeat the trolls at a&e. If my hero Larry Pool would do something I don't agree with or approve of, I would want to handle it in a diplomatic way so as not to drive someone that valuable away and I feel the same about Arch. Anyway, nobody died and appointed me God, so this is just my opinion and request. Having said that, I feel that even if posters are rude and fight, it should be tolerated so as not to be too heavy handed on this board. Any comments?
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Post by lepke on Jul 6, 2013 15:03:48 GMT -5
An appeal: I would like to request we all make a valiant attempt to be polite to each other. Attacking Arch is counterproductive. Arch has made mistakes and I agree that his "well-intentioned" attempt to save our a&e board was a big mistake on his part. We are all human and make mistakes, but Arch, in particular, deserves a lot of respect due to his many years of dedication to this case. He has a lot of knowledge and inside information. He may not be at liberty to share all he knows but he can really help stop misinformation from taking over. Port has corrected me when I posted something in error and I really appreciate her setting the facts straight. Arch can do that too. I find his debate with Repoman to be unfortunate and I don't have an opinion on who was right, I just wish they both would shake hands and continue to post. I hope Arch will change his mind and join us if we can't defeat the trolls at a&e. If my hero Larry Pool would do something I don't agree with or approve of, I would want to handle it in a diplomatic way so as not to drive someone that valuable away and I feel the same about Arch. Anyway, nobody died and appointed me God, so this is just my opinion and request. Having said that, I feel that even if posters are rude and fight, it should be tolerated so as not to be too heavy handed on this board. Any comments? |
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Post by dancartell on Jul 6, 2013 15:32:05 GMT -5
It has been like a vacation posting on this board, with no drama or trolls, and now there is another board that looks good. I think A&E is done, which is sad because a lot of good people put a lot of hard work into that board but the trolls (Yes Rita,they are trolls) have made it unusable for working on this case and communicating with others about the case. Yeah A&E with all intents and purposes looks and feels dead right now, it so sad compared to were it was 2 years back   , alas I guess things change and we have to move along with change or go the way of dinosaurs ...... what really struck me is the irony of how everyone back then tried to get this case as much publicity as possible and then when that was achieved and another healthy dose of publicity was given to this case with Dark Minds and LA mag then everything started to go downhill  |
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Post by dancartell on Jul 6, 2013 15:41:02 GMT -5
If you want to defeat the Trolls at A&E you must do the following: 1) Spot all troll posts immediately, everyone should be responsible for this. If you are on the board you are on Troll Patrol. 2) Quote the last legitimate post, even if you don't agree with it. Make one comment as to not be spam. In the Subject refer to the Poster you are quoting so they know it's an anti-troll measure. 3) Ignore all trolls period. 4) Soon they will cry and go away. Hi gskonstracker: I think I am being a little dense. I want to follow your suggestion because my main goal is to reclaim our a&e board. It has a lot of valuable information in old posts on it, old posters come back from time to time to check in and may not find us, new posters might not find us and leave never to return etc. Where I am confused is #2 above. So you say to quote their last legitimate post (that might be really hard to find and even when Kev makes a seemingly legitimate point about not posting poi's real names or us being vigilantes and possibly interfering with LE, I don't want to recognize his points because I find them disingenuous, so I am a bit lost on #2, and also I am confused as it seems by doing that we are not ignoring them. Am I missing something? Could you just clarify your plan. I really want to find a clever way to defeat them and all I can come up with is don't even read what they say for fear we will be baited into responding, and don't respond. But as others have mentioned, so far that hasn't been successful. Sandia , I also would have loved to go back and re-take that board but I think at this point in time things are now too far gone . Too much damage has been done and things will never be the same as they used to be ........ Speaking of information, all my PM`s from previous years have vanished and threads now disappear regularly on that board depending on what you say , its almost as if the place is being run by some secret state police. As much I hate to say this .......I think there comes a point in life were one has to cut their losses and move on and I would like think that most of us now here have reached that point with regard to the A&E board |
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Post by drifter on Jul 6, 2013 15:45:43 GMT -5
dancartell wrote:
"... when another healthy dose of publicity was given to this case with Dark Minds and LA mag then everything started to go downhill."
That's true.
And I would add that, in my opinion, it was specifically because of the added publicity that aetv board went downhill. The new publicity drew in people who have little or no understanding of research and/or little or no critical thinking skills ... quite aside from the aetv trolls.
Just another reason to have a moderated board.
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Post by dancartell on Jul 6, 2013 15:48:20 GMT -5
dancartell wrote: "... when another healthy dose of publicity was given to this case with Dark Minds and LA mag then everything started to go downhill." That's true. And I would add that, in my opinion, it was specifically because of the added publicity that aetv board went downhill. The new publicity drew in people who have little or no understanding of research and/or little or no critical thinking skills. Just another reason to have a moderated board. Absolutely , if we can all agree to the rules of the road a moderated board will be a good long term strategy  ... |
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Post by drifter on Jul 6, 2013 15:49:56 GMT -5
Hi gskonstracker: I think I am being a little dense. I want to follow your suggestion because my main goal is to reclaim our a&e board. It has a lot of valuable information in old posts on it, old posters come back from time to time to check in and may not find us, new posters might not find us and leave never to return etc. Where I am confused is #2 above. So you say to quote their last legitimate post (that might be really hard to find and even when Kev makes a seemingly legitimate point about not posting poi's real names or us being vigilantes and possibly interfering with LE, I don't want to recognize his points because I find them disingenuous, so I am a bit lost on #2, and also I am confused as it seems by doing that we are not ignoring them. Am I missing something? Could you just clarify your plan. I really want to find a clever way to defeat them and all I can come up with is don't even read what they say for fear we will be baited into responding, and don't respond. But as others have mentioned, so far that hasn't been successful. Sandia , I also would have loved to go back and re-take that board but I think at this point in time things are now too far gone . Too much damage has been done and things will never be the same as they used to be ........ Speaking of information, all my PM`s from previous years have vanished and threads now disappear regularly on that board depending on what you say , its almost as if the place is being run by some secret state police. As much I hate to say this .......I think there comes a point in life were one has to cut their losses and move on and I would like think that most of us now here have reached that point with regard to the A&E board To what dancartell has just said about aetv board being a lost cause ... Amen and amen! A thousand times ... Amen! Drifter |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 6, 2013 16:13:25 GMT -5
dancartell wrote: "... when another healthy dose of publicity was given to this case with Dark Minds and LA mag then everything started to go downhill." That's true. And I would add that, in my opinion, it was specifically because of the added publicity that aetv board went downhill. The new publicity drew in people who have little or no understanding of research and/or little or no critical thinking skills. Just another reason to have a moderated board. Absolutely , if we can all agree to the rules of the road a moderated board will be a good long term strategy ... Greg has posted the initial rules for the new board here: earonsgsk.proboards.com/thread/2/forum-decorumOf course, we're open to suggestion on the rules of the road. |
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Post by dancartell on Jul 6, 2013 16:45:52 GMT -5
I ususally remember who posted last on a topic I was reading and then when I come to the board I look to see if there were any additional posts and by who. Now I see nothing but sailboats, cats, blue boxes and chandeliers. ." ROFL ;D ; |
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Post by sandia on Jul 7, 2013 0:22:53 GMT -5
An appeal: I would like to request we all make a valiant attempt to be polite to each other. Attacking Arch is counterproductive. Arch has made mistakes and I agree that his "well-intentioned" attempt to save our a&e board was a big mistake on his part. We are all human and make mistakes, but Arch, in particular, deserves a lot of respect due to his many years of dedication to this case. He has a lot of knowledge and inside information. He may not be at liberty to share all he knows but he can really help stop misinformation from taking over. Port has corrected me when I posted something in error and I really appreciate her setting the facts straight. Arch can do that too. I find his debate with Repoman to be unfortunate and I don't have an opinion on who was right, I just wish they both would shake hands and continue to post. I hope Arch will change his mind and join us if we can't defeat the trolls at a&e. If my hero Larry Pool would do something I don't agree with or approve of, I would want to handle it in a diplomatic way so as not to drive someone that valuable away and I feel the same about Arch. Anyway, nobody died and appointed me God, so this is just my opinion and request. Having said that, I feel that even if posters are rude and fight, it should be tolerated so as not to be too heavy handed on this board. Any comments? LOL, Yes, that's what we need the MIB: "The Men In Black your first, last and only defense against the worst scum of the universe" -- hypnotize, neutralizer vivid memories turn to fantasies". That's the ticket, hypnotize Kev. I wonder if Kev can bust the moves of that alien? |
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Post by sandia on Jul 7, 2013 0:28:27 GMT -5
If you want to defeat the Trolls at A&E you must do the following: 1) Spot all troll posts immediately, everyone should be responsible for this. If you are on the board you are on Troll Patrol. 2) Quote the last legitimate post, even if you don't agree with it. Make one comment as to not be spam. In the Subject refer to the Poster you are quoting so they know it's an anti-troll measure. 3) Ignore all trolls period. 4) Soon they will cry and go away. I actually like this idea a lot. It wouldn't hurt, that is for sure. I hate to give up on that a&e board even though this one seems to be doing well. We should always be on the look out for new information. What if someone new with a new clue checks out a&e and leaves. It seems like a&e is all over google, Arch's website etc. I just wonder if we should give it another chance to completely ignore the T R O L L S and do item #2 above. If we all would be on board, we could quickly see if it works or not. I'd love to overwhelm Kev & Co. and give them a taste of their own medicine. I don't think I will have the time to do it single handedly, but if we all pitched in, it might work and it would actually be FUN to try. Any thoughts? |
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Post by drifter on Jul 7, 2013 0:34:32 GMT -5
Sandia wrote:
"I just wonder if we should give it [A&E] another chance ..."
No.
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Post by sandia on Jul 7, 2013 11:35:23 GMT -5
Well, Kev found out about this board as we suspected he eventually would. I am going to private message a few people since he obviously can read what we write here. If anyone wants to discuss this situation with me or others, I suggest we use private message on this topic. Thanks, and hope you have a great day.
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 7, 2013 11:47:29 GMT -5
sandia,
its just human nature that someone gets rubbed the wrong way by a troll's post and falls into the trap.
There's just no way to keep a unified front against trolling. Eventually they say the right thing that pisses the wrong person off, and you're back at the start.
That being said, Kev has occasionally posted useful remarks, although his tone is not always considerate.
There's sometimes a fine line between trolling and someone with just an inappropriate way of responding to people.
I'm not excusing Kev, or the situation at AETV, but the truth is we need our own site and our own moderation.
i understand that there's a lot of useful information at AETV, but someone has already captured the core information and we continue to move forward with new discussions on this board and the new GSK one.
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Post by sandia on Jul 7, 2013 12:59:15 GMT -5
sandia, its just human nature that someone gets rubbed the wrong way by a troll's post and falls into the trap. There's just no way to keep a unified front against trolling. Eventually they say the right thing that pisses the wrong person off, and you're back at the start. That being said, Kev has occasionally posted useful remarks, although his tone is not always considerate. There's sometimes a fine line between trolling and someone with just an inappropriate way of responding to people. I'm not excusing Kev, or the situation at AETV, but the truth is we need our own site and our own moderation. i understand that there's a lot of useful information at AETV, but someone has already captured the core information and we continue to move forward with new discussions on this board and the new GSK one. truthandsoul, You have made very valid points, which I absolutely respect. I am working on a private message to see if I can get everyone's opinion about this situation. I have no doubt Kev is reading this. I agree that many of us can't always avoid taking Kev's bait and occasionally fail at ignoring him. I think we can continue to remind people, and it does seem that recently we have been pretty successful at it, until I attempted plan #2 yesterday, lol. I agree that Kev has occasionally made valid points, they are disingenuous though, but he absolutely has the right to express them. I do wonder though if you saw Kev's most horrific posts at a&e about Janelle which were obviously intended to harm her family. They were "eventually" taken down. Then there is the concerted effort to disrupt our discussion group at a&e, spamming us with his sock puppets and cronies. I believe that Kev is the classic TROLL. I love being able to say that word here, lol! He has leaped across the Grand Canyon not just stepped over a fine line. From what another poster stated here on this board, he apparently has done this elsewhere also. Thanks! Sandia |
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Post by drifter on Jul 7, 2013 16:16:43 GMT -5
Sandia wrote:
"... and it does seem that recently we have been pretty successful at [avoiding Kev's bait], until I attempted plan #2 yesterday".
Indeed.
Your plan #2 was very, very discouraging ... responding with brief comments to legit posters in a super obvious effort to ignore the trolls. When you do that, you tacitly acknowledge the existence of the trolls, which is what they want. I hope that you and lepke and briffyboy don't continue to feed them. Arch did the same thing recently and it made matters worse. When one feeds the trolls, the trolls love it.
There is no, absolutely zero, reason to post anymore at a&e. And I personally take a rather dim view of anyone who continues to do so.
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Post by neksanalet on Jul 7, 2013 16:53:32 GMT -5
The best anti-troll strategy is to stop talking about the perpetrators permanently (and banning them if they show up here). They get off on all the comments geared towards them. Now that they know about this site, they are in full orgasm mode with all the name checking going on here. This will be my last word on the matter. Don't even give them the satisfaction of seeing their monikers here. Maybe deleting some of these threads would be a plus. AETV is lost. Let's move on....
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Post by sandia on Jul 7, 2013 17:03:43 GMT -5
Sandia wrote: "... and it does seem that recently we have been pretty successful at [avoiding Kev's bait], until I attempted plan #2 yesterday". Indeed. Your plan #2 was very, very discouraging ... responding with brief comments to legit posters in a super obvious effort to ignore the trolls. When you do that, you tacitly acknowledge the existence of the trolls, which is what they want. I hope that you and lepke and briffyboy don't continue to feed them. Arch did the same thing recently and it made matters worse. When one feeds the trolls, the trolls love it. There is no, absolutely zero, reason to post anymore at a&e. And I personally take a rather dim view of anyone who continues to do so. Drifter So Drifter are you saying we cannot reply to legitimate posters on the a&e site. You may be right but there is a flip side to that thinking though. I will private message you instead of posting here because I also agree with nek's comment below. |
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Post by lepke on Jul 7, 2013 17:59:43 GMT -5
Sandia wrote: "... and it does seem that recently we have been pretty successful at [avoiding Kev's bait], until I attempted plan #2 yesterday". Indeed. Your plan #2 was very, very discouraging ... responding with brief comments to legit posters in a super obvious effort to ignore the trolls. When you do that, you tacitly acknowledge the existence of the trolls, which is what they want. I hope that you and lepke and briffyboy don't continue to feed them. Arch did the same thing recently and it made matters worse. When one feeds the trolls, the trolls love it. There is no, absolutely zero, reason to post anymore at a&e. And I personally take a rather dim view of anyone who continues to do so. Drifter I have not been interacting with the trolls, and you are not in charge of anything. |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 7, 2013 20:18:59 GMT -5
Can't we all just get along? LOL
I'm not going to point fingers, but let's please be mindful of each other's right to their own opinion; either continuing to look for a way to make AETV work or moving on.
Disagreeing about opinions related to theories/interpretations of the GSK are one thing, but arguing about opinions related to how we each chose to carry about our own business is not condusive to moving ahead in a unified way.
This thread is exactly the kind of secondary-reaction trolls hope for: in-fighting among the core members...we're doing their bidding for them!
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Post by sandia on Jul 7, 2013 20:46:18 GMT -5
Hi all, just so you know, I am going to start to wean myself off this board to mainly post on the new GSK proboard site because it is moderated and because PortofLeith is going to post exclusively there (if I got that right) and wither she goest, I shall go, lol. It took me a little bit to get used to the GSK board, as it is a bit different from here but it might be best to not invest too much here in case we end up having to move over there anyway. Any opinions on that?
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 7, 2013 22:49:44 GMT -5
The best anti-troll strategy is to stop talking about the perpetrators permanently (and banning them if they show up here). They get off on all the comments geared towards them. Now that they know about this site, they are in full orgasm mode with all the name checking going on here. This will be my last word on the matter. Don't even give them the satisfaction of seeing their monikers here. Maybe deleting some of these threads would be a plus. AETV is lost. Let's move on.... we don't have banning/moderation rights on this board. The former admin/moderator is MIA/AWOL/LOL. Please see my latest post in earbk.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=113&page=1I agree with all you said above, BTW. This thread only feeds their hunger for whatever it is that they get off on. |
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Post by ebe777 on Jul 8, 2013 21:06:01 GMT -5
The best anti-troll strategy is to stop talking about the perpetrators permanently (and banning them if they show up here). They get off on all the comments geared towards them. Now that they know about this site, they are in full orgasm mode with all the name checking going on here. This will be my last word on the matter. Don't even give them the satisfaction of seeing their monikers here. Maybe deleting some of these threads would be a plus. AETV is lost. Let's move on.... we don't have banning/moderation rights on this board. The former admin/moderator is MIA/AWOL/LOL. Please see my latest post in earbk.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=113&page=1I agree with all you said above, BTW. This thread only feeds their hunger for whatever it is that they get off on. The only thing we can do to make Kev go away for good is to never mention his name or any of his sock-puppet names ever again.... He's still over there on the A&E board toiling away and gloating about being the topic of discussion.....and he's likely to be there forever even if he's eventually only talking to himself (which he always is anyhow, really) The only way to be rid of this silly child is to ignore him..... So, can we start now? |
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