Golden State Killer

[portofleith]

New case developments:

www.lamag.com/killer/

[guessting]

Glad you posted this here port. It does let us see that we are still able to sign on at this board. I'm going to post on the a/e board that this could be an alternative. At least while a/e is having difficulties.

[drifter]

This message is just a test. As of April 14, I was able to create account, log in, and respond to messages.

Drifter

[guessting]

I have been checking in as well I'm hoping some don't know how to follow the trail here. The fighting is just becoming a real issue..

[portofleith]

How do you post a video here?

youtu.be/IOSvO-WYn3Q

[guessting]

Interesting that two victims homes were watched from this location.

[portofleith]

Posted by Friday on AETV Board

Back to the crimes
June 16, 1976 was the hotest June 16th on record in Sacramento. A middle class home located north of Folsom Blvd, directly north from the main gate of Mather AFB would become the first known location of the EAR crime series. The victim was the daughter of an Air Force NCO who transfered a couple years earlier from Pease AFB in New Hampshire.

The family had moved into the single story house on Paseo. In 1975 the Air Force wife of the NCO was rushed to the Mather AFB hospital. She soon died in the Air Force hosptial. The daughter later moved out of the Paseo house and went to work related to Pacific Bell.

Dad later retired in 1976 and wanted to go back east for a vacation. His daughter who would be come EAR's first victim decided to move back into the Paseo house while dad was gone.

On June 18th, EAR commited the first known rape of a series of terror.

They have called the crime series by several names and acronyms. But the series is the East Area Rapist, ear or also know as E A R. The other names were just added in ignorance because the crimes were not linked until many years later.

So first, these are EAR crimes, not something made up by a reporter or an Orange County investigator who didn't know the link would go back to that house on Paseo.

Now, lets get serious about catching EAR. EAR the rapist, EAR the killer.

Start at square one.

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[portofleith]

www.lamag.com/offtherecord/2013/04/15/golden-state-killer-update-one-victims-family-responds-to-our-coverage-of-the-cold-case

[guessting]

Still able to log on. I will forward you the link..

[drifter]

Glad you posted this here port. It does let us see that we are still able to sign on at this board. I'm going to post on the a/e board that this could be an alternative. At least while a/e is having difficulties.

Just trying to see if I can copy a message and respond to it.

At the aetv message board, am having trouble accessing the most recent page of messages. I think that website still has some technical problems. Or maybe it's just my computer. Now let's see if this will post.

[drifter]

No way to edit a message?

Oh ... evidently, we can edit a message at the preview stage. But once it's posted, we cannot edit. Now if I can just remember that.

We have to log-in each time?

[portofleith]

Drifter- There is an option to stay logged on. Welcome. My hope is that case discussion can happen here-.

[goldenrule]

Hi, I'm Goldenrule. I had so much trouble getting into the AETV forum, that I just gave up. Now, it's loon infested, so I'm glad to see people moving here.

I'm attaching a link to Michelle McNamara's Shadow Pulp 4/11/13 interview for those who haven't heard it: www.ustream.tv/recorded/31361973

I ran across an article I hadn't seen before: about a possible EAR police chase in Stockton in Sept. 1977. The article refers to the chasee as "East Side Rapist", so maybe that's why I haven't seen this one before. Just posting in case it's new to others here:
news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19770912&id=82UzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NTIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=2296,1083911

I hope Arch comes here as well; I imagine he's pretty disgusted with A&Es board.

Cheers

[portofleith]

Goldenrule- Thanks for posting this article. I am happy to see the Lodi Sentinel still accessible- the Modesto Bee and Merced Sun Star have become inaccessible in recent weeks.

I think this article tells us that once GSK finds a neighborhood he likes, he stays with it.

[guessting]

Welcome goldenrule, yes the pure madness of the other board is running people off. They will return as things die down. Thanks for posting the article.

[portofleith]

Have you noticed all of the lakeside communities around Fritz Grupe park where Stockton police chased GSK? They bear a resemblance to the development map released in Michelle McNamara's article.

[goldenrule]

Hi, guessting & portofleith (love that handle).

I'm glad you see similarities to the GSK map, I thought maybe I was seeing what I wanted to see.

I found it interesting that no bike was mentioned in the chase and that this was his first hit outside of Sac after a dormant summer. Also, the article indicates that there were "intensive patrols" on the weekend of 9/9. Was there evidence of prowling in North Stockton <b>after</b> the 9/6 attack, or was EAR responding to the 9/9 "Stockton Terror" McClatchy article, which described Stockton's spike in gun sales, and the "massive investigation by detectives of the Stockton Police and the San Joaquin County Sheriff's Office, along with teams from the Sacramento police and sheriff's department." He made quite a splash in Stockton.

Per Sudden Terror, there were "dogs barking" for a week prior to his 9/6 attack, and when EAR attacked again in Stockton in March, 78, it seems he was there for a week prior to his 3/18 attack. In both attacks, an older VW van was seen and/or heard. Prior to the 3/18/78 attack, EAR was spotted in the neighborhood and even in the yard of his 31st victims.

These were the busiest times for EAR, and twice he was in Stockton for a week at a time - was he from Stockton? His activity in Stockton in March 1978 was prior to Sac State's March 20 spring break. I'm going to look for Stockton activities in the 3/11-3/18/78 - what was he doing there?

[guessting]

That's a very good question. If you locate any possible events please share them. I will see what I can find as well.

[f1guyus]

Think Lodi. Where just coincidently he never offended. And think McGeorge College of Law. Look at a map.

[guessting]

F1-I am there nearly every day. Are you thinking Oak Park??? McGeorge is a lovely University. Oak Park is really changing and the area is being revamped constantly. Many new things going in. I am curious why you mentioned Law School? g

[f1guyus]

Because Law School would be a great place to learn the rules of evidence. Police science classes at Delta College in Stockton or at a JC in Sacramento would work as well. But I like his being pre law because of the control issues. And as I have said many times in the past I don't think he ever lived where he offended. Maybe in Rancho Cordova before the Sac Sheriffs went public but I don't think so.

[f1guyus]

P.S. I meant Lodi but you can look at a map and see any number of possibilities where he could have lived a low profile life. Bottom line, we still need that phone call. And somebody who answers the phone following up.

[drifter]

Where's the option to create new thread?

Kev-the-whathisname and his innumerable sock puppet accounts and fellow trolls have taken over the aetv board, helped along by aetv-rita, the so-called moderator.

Would like to see a new EAR/ONS board created, one that is inaccessible to trolls. Anyone have any practical suggestions?

[sandia]

Thanks Drifter, maybe this is the solution. Hello all. I'm hoping the boycott will drive Kev away and we won't have to leave a&e though.

[drifter]

Welcome Sandia.

Maybe we can get some other aetv regulars over here, and start some good discussions.

[drifter]

To Port, guessting, Sandia, et.al.

Let's post here instead of at aetv. Kev-the-bully has ruined that message board, and aetv_rita either hasn't a clue, or is in cahoots with Kev. Either way, that forum has become untenable.

Permanent options for moving away can be discussed here, at least on a temporary basis.

Drifter

[drifter]

My impression is that serious case researchers don't really want to use this board.

Further, they would rather put up with Kev-the-bully and his troll friends than move to a different website.

Therefore, I'm not sure if I will continue to participate in case discussion. The aetv site has become so poisoned that I dread having to go there.

A number of alternatives I could name are available, and quite doable. But regulars seem hindered by their own inertia and aetv familiarity, however dreadful it has become.

Drifter

[drifter]

Thanks for PMs from guessting and Sandia. Your feedback was encouraging.

To summarize, re: new forum: guessting has offered to help; Sandia has expressed some concerns; I have not heard from Port.

To address Sandia's concerns, when she said in PM: "if we let everybody [at aetv] know, the [trolls] could happen there".

Actually, that's not going to happen. The moderator of new board, probably me, will absolutely enforce a no trolls policy; message board design allows for that.

Also, Sandia said: "if we don't [let people at aetv site know], it [new forum] it's basically like a little group private message session and we shut off new inflow of ... info".

While it's true that aetv does give more public exposure, the only reason is because case researchers have been there for so long, it's built up a lot of public notice. I think there are ways to publicize a new forum, via letting people at aetv know, by the private "friending" of posters we know are legit. Also, I think having a list of legit case ideas, theories, and questions will tend to draw people to new forum; I'm working on that now. A lot of lurkers can be approached indirectly through other means. Further ...

The aetv site is very weak. There are things you cannot do there; and it suffers from software problems. A new forum would be much more robust, and would likely include a chat room, which aetv does not have.

The main thing I wish to point out is that while a new forum is doable, and rather inexpensive from my point of view, I will not take steps to initiate a new forum without the support of guessting, Sandia, and Port. In practical terms what that would mean is that the three of you would cease posting at aetv and post only at new forum ... at least temporarily. Since new forum is a pay-as-you-go proposition, if the new forum doesn't work out, we can always return to aetv. But there's no point in starting a new forum if valued EAR/ONS posters stay away.

A new forum might also lure Arch back into discussion.

I've probably left out some key points. But just wanted to respond to y'alls private messages. And say thanks.

Drifter

[guessting]

Drifter,,

I'm willing to participate with the stipulations. I'm not sure if your aware this was done before and had its own set of issues. The man who created it wanted to own it and control all contents. He asked both Arch and I to be moderators. On my first day I made an error, in still not sure what I did. But I was immediately locked out and then next came the full shutdown of entire board with him enraged at me. I will help however I can. I just want to state I'm human, make errors and won't please everybody. I do try through. Let me know what I can do. G

[drifter]

Guessting ...

The way I envision this is that I would create the forum and be the sole moderator. Your participation, as well as Sandia's, Port's, and everyone else is simply to post when you want to, respond when you want to. In other words there would be no difference in what you do now at aetv and what you would do at new forum.

I'm going to need to give some thought as to whether I really want to do this. If the forum would run on its own that would be great because I don't want to have to babysit with it every hour every day. There could be stretches of time that I would not be around. On the other hand, we really need a better option than aetv; I don't even like to go there anymore; yet, I'm constantly wondering about this case; I feel isolated without some kind of forum.

The link below is what I have in mind for a forum. It is quite a bit more sophisticated than what exists at aetv.

www.bulletinboards.com/About.cfm

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Sandia ...

You're quite right to think in terms of potential problems before they arise.

My thinking is that everyone who has ever posted at aetv would be welcomed into new forum, with the exception of known trolls. Anyone who acts trollish would quickly be banned forever; forum software makes that easy, via IP address + email; so there would be no chance for trolls to take over as now is the case at aetv. Yet, the forum would be open to any and all who are interested in this case.

Re: "heated arguments" ... I see nothing wrong with an argument that is heated; the quarrelsome participants may see a lot wrong, but that's their problem, not the problem of moderator or the forum in general; if they chose to leave; again, that's their choice.

Politeness vs. rudeness ... We would all hope that everyone will be polite ... which is idealistic. When rudeness shows up, as moderator I would intervene gently at first; if rudeness persists, my intervention would become less gentle, ultimately banning poster from site. However, before I banned anyone for rudeness, I would poll the three of you privately to get your input as to whether banning should or should not occur.

Although it would be my forum, I have no desire to dictate. Having private input from guessting, Port, and Sandia, and possibly others, would preclude the situation guessting described above with her previous forum encounter. I'm pretty laid back, and would prefer not to have to intervene unless the rudeness became distracting to forum at large.

One more point ... the bulletinboard option I like because it is a pay-as-you-go plan, meaning that we could try it out for a month or two. If things return to normal back at aetv, we don't have to continue the new forum. My preference, indeed, would be to stay at aetv; it's so much simpler than starting something new from scratch.

But a new forum would allow us a short-term fix to aetv, with the idea that it might become more permanent, depending on various factors. Once it's created, I would envision a couple weeks of start-up time wherein any bugs are worked out, and some of us play around with so that it starts to feel like home. I want it to be easy to use, heavily used, and free of trolls. The only thing I would request, once the start-up period was over and we had a good flow of messages, is that you cease posting at aetv.

Again, I'm in no rush to begin. And will await more feedback from the three of you, and others, before making any kind of decision.

Cheers