Golden State Killer

[sandia]

I've come up with three more questions:

1) COST: what is the cost? and who do we pay? and how do we pay? How does that work?

2) PRIVACY: I am always concerned on the internet with privacy, but especially when dealing with finding a serial killer and not just the killer we seek but the various strange people this subject attracts, so would our identity be assured to be protected. Can we really 100% count on that.

3) EXCLUSIVITY: What is your reasoning for not wanting us to continue to post the odd comment or so on the other site?

Thanks, Sandia

[f1guyus]

One of the many problems with this case is that so much time has elapsed. I just found out that a guy I've known for eleven years lived in Lincoln Village West when EAR offended there. The police chased someone believed to be EAR right down the levee behind his house. There are only two ways out of LVW in a car, nobody could figure out how the guy got away. LVW was sealed off and patrolled 24/7 until the guy offended in Parkwoods. And the SPD and Sheriffs dept were itching to get a shot at the guy.

[sandia]

Hi F1. That is really interesting. Were blood hounds used in that case? It sounds like they were not, if not, what a shame! If dogs had been used that could have been his undoing considering how you described the neighborhood (that is if he parked his car in the neighborhood and not out of it). Some other possibilities come to mind. Could it be he was staying with relatives/acquaintances in that development and simply went into the house. Was it very late at night and did he crawl in his bedroom window and nobody knew he had ever been out of the house? Did he simply hide all night long until the police were gone, before he left the area? (Remember the dump truck incident where a shop owner came in really early and saw him arise out of the dump truck). Was there a body of water he could have escaped the area by swimming? Very interesting.

[drifter]

Sandia ...

Cost ... no cost to you; I would pay total amount

Privacy ... your identity at new forum would be as safe as your identity at aetv; you create your own password; even I would not know what it is.

Exclusivity ... by switching from aetv to new forum, you signal your commitment to new forum which needs respected researchers like yourself; of course, you could still post at aetv board at times, but much less often; I have no desire to follow any poster's movements; i just want some assurance that if I create a new forum, people will use it.

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f1 ... thanks for continuing to post here.

Question: how do we start a new thread at this website?

Drifter

[sandia]

Hi Drifter and everyone. I'm in! I am so upset right now with the a&e site, I don't want to even go there anymore. I think it is malfunctioning as well as being spammed by Kev and cronies. I posted a response to a helpful poster and it doesn't show up, something really hinkey is going on over there. I'm glad you mentioned that a&e might erase the old posts and that is a real concern! I felt like writing to Rita and complaining about what is being allowed to happen but it is obvious she doesn't care and by threatening to leave might not be wise because of what you just said. This proves that communication is key, I'm so glad I said nothing. Do you think we should start telling people about this site now or wait?

[guessting]

I've written to Rita on at least 6 occasions about my concerns about such disturbing posts about Janelle. How can you banish other lesser behaviors and then allow a young, brutally murdered girl to be drug through the mud, spoken about as though it was her fault she was murdered and not have a moderator be outraged? I've begged Rita to dismiss Kev along with some others and the posts weren't even removed. I contacted an attorney asking about AE liability with that kind of disregard for a human who Kev has no proof of his spoken word being truthful. Could possibly have a slanderous law suit both personally against Kev and AE. I have had the Attorney follow the posts that are never removed. I've had him witness the lack of moderation (weeks going by before some despicable post is removed). AE has very deep pockets but they are not untouchable. I've always regarded Rita as an ally but after begging her to remove Kev permanently. The I read that we can't call each other idiots...I don't know maybe I'm off beat. Maybe I demand too much from humanity but I expect Janelle and all victims should be allowed to rest in peace. Allowing the dishonoring and demoralizing chatter from disturbed individuals should be banned. It should NEVER be acceptable.

I would love it if we all got on board a posed a thoughtful letter or petition asking for something to be done about that. I could care less if you call me stupid or an idiot! But I do care when you tear down a defenseless beautiful young girl who throug NO FAULT OF HER OWN was brutally murdered. And then it must really make that particular group feel powerful when they the demoralize her family as though it was their fault. The time to deliver out thoughts and feelings to AE is now. I'm grateful for all they did by providing us a space and time to help us move this case forward but we are at a stand still and need to amend it one way or another. It's not my intention to sue or threaten to sue. I as only that they take this seriously!

[sandia]

Good for you g. I also have constantly flagged his sick posts and have written to Rita over and over, I also said I would like to request that people not be able to post under different identities. She covered herself, I think, for a law suit. As she said calling names will be cause for taking the post down and if Kev continues his attack on the victim he will be warned and then his account will be revoked. WHAT A JOKE!!! How long has this been going on and he still will get a warning?? Next she kind of snarkily told me he does NOT post under different monikers, has no sock puppets but he has a lot of friends that follow him over from other sites. B.S. I DO NOT BUY THAT. I recognize his way of speaking and his thoughts. I am sure that he is at least one other person and I suspect he is many. Now they are spamming the board and something has happened to the board format too which seems to make it hard to see the latest discussion. I can't tell you how angry I am. I really can't stand Rita and a&e. I think Drifter might be right after all that Kev is actually hired by them to be outrageous and stir up discussidon and get a lot of traffic to their site. At first I didn't think that could be true but now I wonder. Evil seems to be allowed to flourish at a&e. What kind of creature wants to disrupt the search for a serial killer. Kev and his cronies or sock puppets obviously do.

I would like to know how serious we are about moving over here. g, are you and Port on the fence?

[guessting]

I'm not on the fence ill go.. I'd like to have a lawyer send a letter. I'm just procvessing it briefly. What do you all think?

[drifter]

guessting ...

My impression, and I may very well be wrong, is that one cannot be prosecuted for libel of the dead. Which means that Kev-the-bully can slander/libel Janelle all he wants with no threat of legal intervention. But again, I could be quite wrong. You might schedule an exploratory meeting with an attorney. It couldn't hurt anything.

Drifter

[sandia]

I don't know, it's hard to convict a murderer. I feel doubtful especially now that she warned him. I don't blame you for being mad. I was so mad yesterday, I can't tell you.

To tell you the truth, what I am most concerned with is what Drifter said. If we are very successful at this new site and redirect everyone here and the a&e GSK site shrivels up, they might shut it down and then will all the past posts will be lost like they were when they changed to a new format a few years ago? I wonder if there is a service that can copy everything and transfer it to a new site? I actually could copy and paste everything, but that would be too daunting of a task for one person. Some computer bot maybe could do it in a few hours if there is such a thing. If there is it might not be very expensive and we could get contributions and then it might be really cheap. Come to think of it, they might shut it down anyway, or change systems again etc. We might lose all those posts like before even if we don't leave a&e. Anyway, I can ask my son-in-law, he is a computer wiz. He might have a suggestion.

[greg26011979]

Drifter,

Thanks to your earlier pm at the aetv board, I will no longer post there, and we can use this as a new forum.

Regards


Greg

[guessting]

Why not let it be what it be and then if we have issues determine at that time. I think the general population here are capable of keeping it clean and worthy of a good debate or conversation. For the better part it has been good, Very few have taken us off the beaten path. I say where there is not a problem let's not make one. Sending that with Love Sandia and not any critisism at all. I hope you don't take as anything but a friend to friend. g

[guessting]

Jun 7, 2013 23:55:38 GMT -5 drifter said:

guessting ...

My impression, and I may very well be wrong, is that one cannot be prosecuted for libel of the dead. Which means that Kev-the-bully can slander/libel Janelle all he wants with no threat of legal intervention. But again, I could be quite wrong. You might schedule an exploratory meeting with an attorney. It couldn't hurt anything.

Drifter

Kev calls her family, who are alive and well hideous things. And then there are lawyers who are chasers for cases, as I call them, that would love this case. But having a daddy who is a lawyer sometimes helps too. Like recently with a very ugly situation. There are things that are legally worthy of a suit. But I am not a letigious freak, so for now it will lie there. I just always want Janelle's family to know I am always supportive of them and if them ever need assistance I will be there for them. g

[greg26011979]

One thing that seemed to generate very little in the way of any publicity (and this may due to be how it presented itself) was the Dark Minds episode.

I thought that Michelle McNamara's articles were more enlightening, and the evidence they displayed for the first time gave more insight.

As another aside, and has been discussed above, what are the chances we can persuade Arch to comeback?

As I am based in Britain, I think the best I can offer are opinions, and not much else, but it was always refreshing to see what the veteran posters were able to contribute.

[sandia]

Greg, I was going to respond to your "Im done" post on the board but I saw you already found your way here, so I erased it.

[greg26011979]

Thanks, sandia. I felt I was becoming like some of the people there, and I tried to rise above it, but when insults start getting thrown, it is easier to walk away.

[greg26011979]

A question to you guys who may know: What is Larry Pool's current status regarding the investigation? Is he still involved in some capacity or does his new role preclude him from acting in an official role?

[sandia]

Greg, I was going to respond to your "Im done" post on the board but I saw you already found your way here, so I erased it.

I agree with what you just said about Dark Minds, I don't like that show. The whole premise of using a serial killer as some sort of expert, bugs me. Then what the idiot says is not helpful at all. He offers obvious opinions anyway. Having said that, the more publicity we get the better. One never knows what might lead to a critical tip.

I 100% agree with you about Michelle MacNamara's article except I would go further and say what she did was so fabulous. Even giving us armchair types suggested tools to utilize in our quest. She continues to follow up on leads. I am beyond thrilled with her effort.

I e-mailed Arch to tell him about this board (which I'll wager g and Port already told him about). I asked if he would consider coming back, but I got no answer. :>( I miss him and his opinions.

You still can help being in Britain. Other posters are in New York and other states and still do research. Even if you lived in California, it is a big state and a lot of posters don't live near the crime scenes anyway. So being in Britain, how did you hear about this case?

[sandia]

Greg, Regarding Larry Pool. I have been wondering that too. I just was assuming that he will no longer be involved. Since you said that, I am going to send him an e-mail asking that question. It will be interesting to see if he even gets the e-mail and even more interesting to see if he answers me.

[greg26011979]

Sandia, I became aware of this case through reading about Richard Ramirez in 2011. I was pretty aware of Ramirez and his crimes, and the name of a previous offender named the Original Night Stalker came up. I did a Google search, and came across the Wikipedia entry, and then went from there and found various sites such as this one, Arch's, You Tube videos, etc. It was quite startling that something like this seemed to go pretty much under the radar given the crimes. I cames across the AETV Board when I was looking at the details of the Lyman Smith murders.

[sandia]

Greg, Interesting. I had lived in the Goleta neighborhood and moved out 2 years before O/M. About 4 or 5? years ago I saw some t.v. program about these crimes, THS Investigates?, the a&e one? not sure and when they said Goleta, I perked up but they didn't say where in Goleta. Then some long time later I saw one of the other programs and again they just said Goleta. Then one day, there was one of those topics that pop up when you open your computer titled "Did the Zodiac strike in Goleta", so that grabbed my attention and that is where the mentioned the Original Nightstalker and finally mentioned the neighborhood when I was floored to see it was my exact old neighborhood. I guess that is why I have become obsessed with this case. It struck too close to home. In the past I wasn't especially interested in crime topics. That has changed. Everything I look at is: Could this be connected?

[greg26011979]

I'm intrigued (as I am sure we all are) by the full story of this individual and his crimes. There are times when it seems there are multiple layers and facets to who this individual is or was, and how he moved with freedom to do what he did. At others, I think the answer must be very straightforward, and when that key piece of evidence or witness is identified we will look back and see that this may have been more simplistic than we have given thought too.

Please do not think for a minute that I put the victims second. We all want to see this person identified and if possible brought to justice.

[greg26011979]

I suppose what really didn't give the case the attention it needed when it needed it most was the crimes were not all linked until a decade after the Janelle Cruz crime.

Apart from a few astute individuals in LE, the notion that one man was doing this seemed alien to them. It may be a lack of co-operation, machismo, communication, and the limited investigative forensic tests available then that contributed, but it is re-assuring that even then there were certain LE members who could connect the crimes.

Even after all that, it was a case that seemed to be just out of reach of public knowledge to an extent.

[sandia]

I agree with everything you said Greg. This case is like none other. It is so complicated and such an intriguing mystery. So many possibilities -- it is both frustrating and fascinating. This guy must be caught and if dead, at least find out who he is. The families need justice. He ruined so many lives.

[truthandsoul]

Yes, I'm more interested in the victims than GSK himself. I think the killers get way more attention than the victims.
My investigative wish is to say something like "we strongly believe the GSK was the murder of this unsolved homicide".
That's why I'm interested in unsolved homicides where GSK struck (and what led me to this board).

It's frightening looking at the shear number of unsolved homicides in the 70-80s. Maybe the situation is not any better now, but LE controls the media better *gets off my soapbox*.
I find it hard to believe that EAR was so active in NorCal then dropped his frequency so markedly in SoCal. And what happened from '81 to '86 and from thereafter?

Well, actually I have so many thoughts and questions, I'll ease into a bit more.

I'll stop posting to AETV, if you do and I'm in full support of an active GSK board, either on this site or an altogether new one.

[sandia]

Hi truthandsoul, Well, Drifter wants to get everyone's private e-mail and not let them know about this board yet. I don't think people will want to give it though, I don't. He is probably trying to find a way we can find each other if we get shut out of a&e. I think we might. Another reason is he probably is still looking into if we stay here (I don't think we can have a moderator here right?, I don't understand how these things work) or if we go to a board where there will be a moderator. I should let Drifter speak for himself, because that is just my take on it from what he has said here on this board. Is there a cost, I don't know if anyone wants to chip in or if that is a deal breaker, who will moderate?, It sounds like Drifter may have changed his mind? It might be a little premature to pledge not post over at a&e until this really gets off the ground. I did just put up a post over there asking Pondi1 for help in locating a murder victim on Madrona because she lives in the neighborhood. Kev and crew immediately started spamming talking about cooking in a very obvious attempt to gleefully bury my post. Is he an adult? What is with him? I definitely believe in evil, Kev is another proof of it. Because of the spamming, I started a new topic on Madrona, and now I'll sit back and watch if it gets taken down (there is absolutely no justification for it if it is taken down) or if it will be spammed and I'll have to just keep bumping it up to get Pondi1's attention. Believe me, I look forward to not posting there again. I am surprisingly calm instead of my normal spitting nails reaction, lol.

[lepke]

Fear not, for I am with you.

[lepke]

In my opinion, we would be better off continuing to use the AETV site, regardless of the current problems, that I do not think are insurmountable. I think that by Rita refusing to kick Kev off the board, despite all the vile things he has said about Janelle Cruz, she has made herself irrelevant.

As for Kev, and his gang of cronies/sock puppets, and if we just resist interacting with them in any way, I guess they will soon get bored, and sod off to wherever it was that they got their post counts into four or five digits.

I just don't bother reading anything from them any longer, as it is rarely about the case, and sometimes offensive. I think that we should continue to use that board anyway, because it is of course a wealth of information and new ideas, that would take forever to replicate somewhere else.

Kev et al are only a problem if we allow them to be a problem. If we just ignore them, or they get kicked off for saying anything else about Janelle, then either way, they are not getting what they want, in terms of upsetting us.

[guessting]

Jun 5, 2013 14:59:51 GMT -5 drifter said:

To Port, guessting, Sandia, et.al.

Let's post here instead of at aetv. Kev-the-bully has ruined that message board, and aetv_rita either hasn't a clue, or is in cahoots with Kev. Either way, that forum has become untenable.

Permanent options for moving away can be discussed here, at least on a temporary basis.

Drifter

Maybe they are married or Rita is one of his other accounts...LOL

[guessting]

Jun 11, 2013 11:57:28 GMT -5 greg26011979 said:

A question to you guys who may know: What is Larry Pool's current status regarding the investigation? Is he still involved in some capacity or does his new role preclude him from acting in an official role?

Larry Pool is working in the private sector of the world at this time. He is not involved formally in the case. But I hold Larry with the highest regard and I doube he will ever OFFICIALLY be off this case. I think he will work this case until the day he leaves this earth. He is just involved in some outside work at this time. g