Tidbits from the Sacramento Magazine Article

[jjmcgr]

I pulled out my copy of the September 2003 Sacramento Magazine article. I may have to post up an annotated copy of this article sometime. only part of it is posted online.

Here are some tidbits:

The Tracy comment: the article in one paragraph claims that Holes "decided to test the CODIS program using DNA from a series of rapes committed in Stockton and Tracy by the East area Rapist years before." The paragraph implies these crimes were to be tested against the OC DNA results. In the next paragraph, however, it states "Holes suggested they run a DNA test on the semen taken from the rape vicitms in Contra Costa County...."

Of course Stockton and Tracy are not in Contra Costa County. And there are no known crimes attributed to the EAR in Tracy. The article mentions Tracy in an earlier paragraph as well.
There were two rapes in Stockton. Would two rapes rate the phraseology "a series of rapes"?

There is no rape menitoned for Tracy, let alone a series of rapes. Addiitonally, it is obvious from other sources and even in this article that DNA was matched from CCC to OC, not from Stockton or Tracy. Is there even DNA from Stockton? If so, why didn't Holes test it and that from this unknown Tracy crime (or crimes) like the article says he was going to?

what newspaper covers Tracy? wonder if it has archives The article mentions Tracy as having happened right before the first Concord attack in 1978.

[jjmcgr]

The article also talks about the Maggiore murders with Sgt. Craig Hill, the then (2003) head of the SCSD's homicide bureau, stating that a pair of new shoelaces were found at the scene and that they recently tried to DNA skin samples of the laces but the skin samples had degraded. Hill believes it was the EAR.


It also mentions that in July 2003 a suspect was DNAed and he didn't match. Of course if this 50 yo suspect was the EAR-B, he wouldn't match. in this way the unified theory may be dangerous.


the article also claims H/H were murdered so the accuracy is questionable except in direct quotes.

[ista]

Jjmcgr, I just put side-by-side. I'm sorry, your transcript doesn't
match. That means there is 2 versions.

[jjmcgr]

Apparently you are comparing the transcript of the CCF show posted on this website with the DVD copy of the show you have a copy of.

The transcript was made from both the VHS 2003 version of the CCF (which is where the DVD version came from) and from a rebroadcast of the show in January 2006 that was recorded on a DVR. I have since deleted the DVR version after completing the transcript. I'd be very suprised if there were any differences between the transcript and the 2003 show as the 2006 rebroadcast seemed to be the exact same show. there were no update seqments or any new information presented. While there may be a word here or there different because of transcription, I doubt even that as I rewound the thing repeatedly ot make the transcript.

If you are referring to a one segment (ie half hour) version of the show sometimes broadcast on CCF, of course that's going to be a cut down version of the original hour long show.

I stand by the transcript and am a little chagrined that questioning its accuracy is the first thing someone thought of when they received a copy of the show to view.

Anyone know what newspaper covers Tracey?

[Senior Crown]

JJ, your post said Holes [whomever that is] decided to test the CODIS program using DNA from rapes in Stockton and Tracy.

To test the CODIS program one needs to submit to CODIS known good matchs, known non matches and a blind and marker sets.

"Serial" anything by defacto standard is 2 or more committed by the same guy.

Dont' think you can "extract" useful investigative information from a Magazine article by reading the article and find anomolies that don't match other known information, then make a observation that there is new investigatively useful information contained therein.

If the Maggiore Murders were the work of the EAR, then they have multiple witnesses who got a look at him. Be difficult to believe that an identification was not made of the assailant.

[Senior Crown]

note: Testing CODIS is not the same as running crime scene DNA in the CODIS database to determine if there is a match.

our understanding of CODIS is that they do not periodically run samples for matches. Agencies have to request that a sample be run against the database for a match.

CODIS is updated virtually every day with new DNA samples taken from crime scenes and according to law.

If we were OCSD, another run on CODIS with ONS DNA wouldn't happened until 2008.

[jjmcgr]

SC,
Shame on you for not knowing who Holes is![yes tongue in cheek]
He is the CCC lab criminalist who linked CC with OC/Ventura and was featured prominently on the CCF show and in the Sacramento Magazine article.

I disagree with your dismissive comment about magazine articles. Just like the tv shows, they do have bits and pieces of useful information, particularly when the SCSD chief of homicide makes direct comments about a specific case. As with the CCF show, the writers might fudge dates and misrepresent facts (the Sac article does this too-- it strongly implies all the EAR rapes are linked by DNA) but direct quotes from participants in the investigations are always worth noting.

Additionally, the mention of Tracy three times in the article indicates its mention was not simply a mistake by the writer. Something happened in Tracy in 1978 that we are unaware of and bears researching.

JJM

[lfl91]

Most likely the newspaper of choice in Tracy would be the Stockton Record. I haven't seen any articles in our research that came from that paper. Maybe it's time to see what can be developed from the Record. It would also be very interesting to see what dates those rapes occurred (If it was EAR attacks) in Tracy. The reason I bring this up is if they coincided with the rapes in the East Bay, I would speculate the subject was commuting. Going through Tracy is an alternate route to southern part of the East Bay.

[seniorcrown]

jj: when you mentioned Holes, all that anyone could come up with was Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute at Woods Hole, MA

There was Defense Depot Tracy, Tracy, CA

There were no Defense Depots in Southern California.

[dengas]

Senior Crown,

Paul Holes is with Contra Costa Lab, and was televised on the
A & E Cold Case Files Hour 46.

Recently, he checked to see if my two persons of interest (who are both in prison) ever had their DNA checked against Contra Costa/Orange County. Yes, they both had -- neither were a hit. He did, however, say that he couldn't be specific, but one of the two should be looked at more closely as perhaps being the Visalia Ransacker -- the one has quite a lengthy criminal history.

Paul still has an interest in cold case files. I was introduced to him (via telephone only) through a personal friend who works at the Oakland lab, and he checked out the DNA as a favor for my friend.

[jjmcgr]

SC,
I do not understand your post. Holes is one of the major figures in this case on the LE side and is a major character on the AE tv show. He has nothing to do with Woods Hole on Cape Cod (it's a section of the town of Falmouth).
Additionally, the possible occurance of EAR-esque crimes in Tracy, CA, has nothing to do with the Tracy Defense Depot one way or another.
Also, while there are no real depots in SoCal now, there have been in the past such as the
Los Angeles Medical Depot.

JJM

[ista]

Jjmcgr, I was just over at the main board. I can't respond to the Sac Mag article because I haven't seen it's full content. Apparently, there are several references to Tracy, CA that I haven't seen before within this article.

[jjmcgr]

I'm working on transcribing the whole artilce but just have not had time lately to finish it. I referred to the Tracy references above. All they are, as mentioned, are just mentions of tracy as the site of EAR attacks with zero details.

[nightdriver]

Note to SC and JJ:: Look up Barstow USMC Logistics Base. Base Nebo and Yermo Annex. Been there for years. They are located 25 miles from Twentynine Palms MCAS. Tossup as to weather "Kitten Guy" may have been stationed at Twentynine Palms or Barstow.

[jjmcgr]

of course Barstow is the longtime site of Fort Irwin, where the Army's national training center is now but was home of the desert training center in WW2.

the Kitten Man supposedly claimed to be stationed at 29 Palms and lived on post. Of course that story has some holes in it at this point.

[guessting]

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