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Post by guessting on Jun 11, 2013 11:00:23 GMT -5
Drifter, I will private message you on the a&e board when I get back. I have a question but I have to run out the door. Sandia, You can PM from here as well. You do not need to visit thae AE board for anything unless you have a need to. g |
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Post by drifter on Jun 11, 2013 17:42:27 GMT -5
Good morning g, Well, this is undoubtedly a stupid question, but how do I p.m. from this board? I'll just ask the question right here. Drifter asked me to get the real e-mail addresses from people I have friended on the a&e board. I imagine if I ask those people for their real e-mail address, they might not want to give it to me. I know there are only a couple of people that I have given my private e-mail to. I feel there is an extra level of security with this board or the a&e board playing interference so some evil computer smarty can't find us. So anticipating that people may be rightfully reluctant, is there some e-mail address we should give them, so if the board shuts down they can find us. Drifter said not to tell anybody "yet" about this board so that is what I wanted to ask. |
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Post by drifter on Jun 11, 2013 17:49:10 GMT -5
Looks like I'm still not too familiar with how this board works;  but that will come with use. Hope my reply gets posted. Sandia ... Have checked into "proboards", as a possible forum. I see no reason why this (jj's) proboard won't work, as a replacement to aetv. However ... We need a moderator. Who exactly is the moderator for this board? Once a moderator is in place, we can start inviting people over, without needing their e-mail addresses. If no moderator for this board is available, I'm prepared to start a new proboards forum for the EAR/ONS case. In which case I would be the moderator. On the other hand ... If we have to start a new proboard, because jj's board lacks a working moderator, then someone else (guessting, Port, Sandia, greg, anyone) can create a proboard; it doesn't have to be me. But the first thing to know, to repeat truthandsould's question is ... who is the moderator for this board? Cheers |
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Post by greg26011979 on Jun 11, 2013 19:43:48 GMT -5
Drifter,
Is it feasible to share the moderator duties between two mods?
Greg
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Post by sandia on Jun 11, 2013 20:39:18 GMT -5
I know I can't do it, work schedule won't permit and because I am no good at technical stuff. I can't even figure some of the basic stuff out, like how to edit my reply. Embarassing!
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Post by truthandsoul on Jun 11, 2013 22:14:32 GMT -5
Oh, so none of you "own" this board? I'm sorry, I don't understand the provenance of it... Take a look at one of the zodiac boards (there are at least 2 and another for manson): www.zodiackillersite.com/they are generally well run, have a handful of moderators, etc. Actually, I'm curious if they'd support an EAR/ONS sub-forum and let one of you folks co-moderate? Until we get our wings and can maintain our own? But maybe I'm talking out of line... There seems like there's already a lot of very good material on this board. |
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Post by sandia on Jun 12, 2013 1:29:26 GMT -5
Well, I don't know what I'm doing that's for sure. We need a fearless leader.
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Post by gskonstracker on Jun 12, 2013 23:50:12 GMT -5
What happened over at a/e was nuts! That jackass made it impossible to use the board. I will never post on a/e again!
What the hell was up with the moderator? I can not believe that level of bulling was allow to go on. They spammed every post and put stupid meaningless posts over really important stuff. Then they insulted everyone, called victims trash, and use threats of banishment or even law suits to keep people from lashing back.
I'm glad there is a different place to post.
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Post by drifter on Jun 13, 2013 2:00:58 GMT -5
Hey tracker ...
Glad you got my PM.
As far as I'm concerned, Rita the "moderator" was irrelevant, a "figure-head". The real moderator was kev-the-bully. Either Rita was frightened of kev, or kev represents the basic philosophy of a&e corporate suits, to maximize page views for max company profits.
Either way, the situation was intolerable. And I will not post anymore at the a&e board so long as that guy posts messages there. EAR/ONS board morphed into kev-the-bully board ... supported by his harem of wives.
If other posters here eventually drift back to a&e, I will not be joining in ... that much I guarantee.
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Post by greg26011979 on Jun 13, 2013 8:13:03 GMT -5
I scanned the aetv board last night. No discussion there now just garbage being posted. A shame as up until 5 or 6 months ago it was a good place to interact. The "mod" is useless. Unless it is an apparent insult / attack on a poster then you can discuss anything which now seems to show that the board has become a place to talk about cooking of all things.
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Post by lepke on Jun 13, 2013 10:51:51 GMT -5
I hold you in very high regard too Greg. I thought that your assertion that psychopaths cannot succeed in the police force was particularly astute.
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Post by greg26011979 on Jun 13, 2013 20:32:41 GMT -5
Lepke, can we try a fresh approach here? Bygones be bygones. I am sure we could both argue, but that would draw this down to the aetv level.
Let's just both have a meaningful debate and leave it at that.
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Post by sandia on Jun 14, 2013 0:07:00 GMT -5
I scanned the aetv board last night. No discussion there now just garbage being posted. A shame as up until 5 or 6 months ago it was a good place to interact. The "mod" is useless. Unless it is an apparent insult / attack on a poster then you can discuss anything which now seems to show that the board has become a place to talk about cooking of all things. |
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Post by sandia on Jun 14, 2013 0:10:40 GMT -5
greg, yes, cooking. That was an obvious attempt to spam me. I asked pondi1 if I could take her up on her offer to ask her neighbors about the Madrona murder. She apparently lives very close. Then I posted a second message to her saying I was going to start a topic on Madrona so my message wouldn't get burried and Kev told me that I was the one interrupting them and their discussion on cooking. I was so tempted to blast him, but I ignored him.
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Post by samk on Jun 14, 2013 0:15:18 GMT -5
The board was just becoming a joke. I could not take it anymore. To see jokes and stories that had nothing to do with the cases being posted every day just got to me eventually. Greg's leaving was the last straw for me.
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Post by lepke on Jun 14, 2013 1:57:22 GMT -5
Lepke, can we try a fresh approach here? Bygones be bygones. I am sure we could both argue, but that would draw this down to the aetv level. Let's just both have a meaningful debate and leave it at that. That's fine by me. It is just that I arrived here to see that you had been criticising me... |
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Post by samk on Jun 23, 2013 0:52:24 GMT -5
I think Kev may be on the board with the blessings of the powers behind the scenes to remind posters about liability issues. Time Warner may not be responsible in a court of law for the postings on the board instead it is the posters who are individually liable and responsible.
Also we here on this board must be very careful with what we post. That is why I am very happy that JJ is the moderator.
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Post by drifter on Jun 23, 2013 16:20:55 GMT -5
Also we here on this board must be very careful with what we post. That is why I am very happy that JJ is the moderator. Samk ... My understanding is that jj hasn't been on this board in a long time. As such, there is no active moderator. And that's a big concern ... Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Drifter |
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Post by samk on Jun 24, 2013 0:19:52 GMT -5
There was some discussion about Greg becoming an active moderator. We need a moderator who can prevent liable posts from appearing on the board. A board without a moderator is just a sitting duck for lawyers looking for work.
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Post by greg26011979 on Jun 24, 2013 6:33:24 GMT -5
I've been looking in to this and the easier option may be to set up a completely new board, and start moderating from there. It is all very well telling people to be cautious with what thye post for the time being, but it is a very, very fine line we are treading here, and one "rogue" or "accidental" post could have far reaching consequences.
Greg
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Post by greg26011979 on Jun 24, 2013 6:37:05 GMT -5
This may seem silly as well, but for the time being (and I am guilty of it as well), we may have to hold back on naming individuals that are even connected or have been connected with LE until we can moderate. Just for the sake of their privacy and well being. Just a thought until we are fully up and running.
Can I also put to the vote setting up a new and moderated board, please?
Greg
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Post by guessting on Jun 24, 2013 10:33:05 GMT -5
Greg,
What could we achieve on another board that we can not achieve here? I am wondering if I am missing something. We have been welcome on this board for years. Yes, I have not seen not heard from JJ in a while but I presume he would contact us if there was an issue with this board. We can self moderate as a group I hope. If some show up here that are not welcome or create the same diversion that is going on at AE (which by the way is deleiberate) we can then move on. I think for now we are as safe as safe can be on a public forum. More to come later. g
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Post by truthandsoul on Jun 24, 2013 13:48:42 GMT -5
I'll follow you guys wherever/whenever, but I'd prefer sooner rather than later before we build-up any critical mass of new discussion/information here. If people are holding back here because of the lack of moderation (holding back on possibly pertinent information, not name-calling, 'natch), then I understand and I'd prefer we move to a new, moderated venue quickly. Technology-wise, I feel like this board is a little outdated. For example, I haven't tried, but adding graphics directly in the thread seems difficult (I could be wrong). We also might like to have the forums organized better, instead of just one big monster forum (although, Albion has been posting to another forum here). I could help moderate, too (sounds like Drifter and Greg have already offered their service). I sit in front of a computer most of the workday and generally at night, too. I don't feel I know enough about the case to call someone's BS, but I can spot a troll a mile away  |
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Post by greg26011979 on Jun 24, 2013 14:30:28 GMT -5
guestting, I wasn't trying to criticise this board. It was just echoing previous statements Drifter has made. To me the moderator is there to act in the interests of the board, i.e. making sure no one crosses the line with regards to legal issues that.
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Post by sandia on Jun 24, 2013 14:35:04 GMT -5
I do like the idea of a moderator to prevent what is happening at a&e so we can deal with:
1) spam
2) trolls
3) posting people's real names putting their reputation or safety in jeopardy.
Posting names should not be taken lightly. As I understand it before I joined there was a very bad situation where someone was beaten up and I think had to move? I don't recall, but that is horrible. Also the 6th grade teacher's name was taken down off the board because his widow who is ill could have been pestered and upset. We would not have been able to do that without a moderator.
I think the down side of a moderator is that they might be too heavy handed or prevent us from posting things on the VR versus the EAR or other topics that one moderator might not agree with. So to sum up, I like the idea of a moderator but one that would step in only for the above mentioned concerns. I will go along with whatever you all want to do however.
guessting, Port, do you disagree?
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Post by dancartell on Jun 24, 2013 15:04:11 GMT -5
Now I have to go to work, so it turns out I have run out of time to read you post Drifter until tonight. In the mean time I want to call attention to Kev's post yesterday. He claims that he has been stalked and threatened by a poster he says goes by the name of 1inVentura, DonBeach, and philtaylorthegreatest. He claims this poster has put on the board the name of real policemen or detectives and that he is going to report this dangerous poster to LE and try to get the whole board shut down as we are a bunch of loose canons and dangerous nut jobs and we overstep our bounds by our arm chair detecting and are illegally posting real peoples names and investigating people while we have not been properly vetted by LE or undergone background checks and training etc. and he is going to try to get us to cease and desist or shut the board down. Could he actually be successful? If so, getting that information and switching over to here might be more urgent that we though. It has also occurred to me that Kev might be 1inVentura et al. LOL , thats the funniest thing I have heard all day ! Kev is always going on about how tough he is from having been in the army ...... then it turns out he is afraid of a stalker  ...........hmmm |
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Post by guessting on Jun 24, 2013 15:55:34 GMT -5
JJ has never blocked a site that I am aware of. I am not sure what I agree with now. I am about done with it all for a minute...more later..
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Post by guessting on Jun 24, 2013 15:57:08 GMT -5
Greg, smile, I never felt critisized. I hate the written word. Sometimes it seems gruff when it is not. Smile again, ok..
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Post by ausgirl on Jun 24, 2013 20:43:01 GMT -5
Just from an 'outsider' POV - I have wanted to join the A&E site for a long time, and join in the discussions.. but frankly, the amount of personal back and forth sniping has been extremely off-putting to someone uninvolved with all the personalities there. Plus, it makes actually finding useful observations a real chore..
When Geko pointed me here, I leapt on the chance to post in a place free of all that crud, so thanks for it!
Anyhow, if you're looking for a new board or intend to keep this one, I've run a stack of proboard forums (non-crime!) and am pretty good at navigating the system and organising things for expedience. Happy to help with know-how, if needed.
One thing to keep in mind - the admin of a proboards site will have access to your email and IP addy. I'm not fussed about it, nothing (much) to hide here, but some folks aren't comfy with that. I find, though, that most people who are genuine about discussion boards aren't bugged by it, but the trollish types are..
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Post by samk on Jun 24, 2013 23:56:51 GMT -5
Guys and girls, what is happening now in this world wide economic downturn is that many out of work lawyers are looking at new ways to earn a pay check. Internet law and Libel is a new way for these lawyers to earn their pay in bad economic times. That is why insurance companies are now offering insurance to persons who post on line to cover them for libel if they are sued. Internet law and libel is a new and growing industry, That is the main reason why we need a moderator to monitor the board.
There is no doubt in my mind that the corporate lawyers at the corporation who owns the other board realizes this.
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but that will come with use. Hope my reply gets posted.
...........hmmm