Speculation while reviewing each rape

[guessting]

I have reviewed these cases over and over and I have come to the conclusion that in each and every rape that EAR did MORE likely than not watch his victims during intimate acts prior to his rapes. I also believe he copied, or imitated closely, especially in expression, and gesture; as though he were the lover and mate of each and every victim he sexually atacked. He somehow seemed to "make believe", "pretend" these women were in love with him.

I will be specific with one at this time and explain some of the how and why I have come to these conclusions. In this particular rape he removed the victims underwear and put high heel shoes on her feet and then raped her. This is something that was NOT done in any of the other attacks. I believe he watched this couple while being intimate and created the same scenario for himself as though to make her his. In other attacks the way clothing was removed. The particular order his sexual attacks took place in just lead me to think that he often copied his victims "script" (I feel that sounds like a horrible word to use but I only mean it as their personal actions during intimacy". I have often wondered if there would of been a chance of catching him had LE revealed some of these behaviors. I also believe if he had a partner he would of tended to do these (extra and additional) acts with his wom(a)(e)n as well.

I truly believe his mastubatory actions and the need to be aroused with a lubricant would of been another potential identifier of this individual. Don't get me wrong I am sure there are plenty of men that have similiar behaviors to EAR but with his very small penis and certain acts I believe LE blew a very good opportunity to identify him many moons ago. Even now I believe there are many identifiers that could take EAR down. g

[lepke]

If you have ever seen the film Porky's, following peeping that happened in the girl's shower room, just such a line up was suggested...

[truthandsoul]

g,

He could have been trying to fulfill his own fantasies, too.

[guessting]

I agree they could be his fantasies.

I have never seen Porky's.

[truthandsoul]

g, how many cases were reported where such things happened?

since you've been reviewing, did he ever say something like "I've killed before and I'll call again" during the EAR attacks? Curious if there's any allusion to previous murders in Visalia (I'm working under the assumption he was the VR and therefore killed Snelling and possibly the two other girls that were found during that period of time) or the murder of the Maggiores...

LOL at the Porky's reference. I've never seen that movie.

[gskonstracker]

I thought about what you were suggesting. If this is true, it makes me wonder if he chose his rape victims based on the way they had sex.
Also, It would seem to me that revealing this kind of knowledge to the victim was another way to hurt her (rather than a fantasy of being the lover). I see EAR as doing it to let the victim know, "I know who you are, I've been watching you, and I even know how you like to have sex. Now, I'm going to come into your life and hurt you in the same way your husband/boyfriend gives you pleasure."

[sandia]

gskonstracker, Wow. That makes sense too. He liked to torture people mentally and the idea of letting them know that not only was he in their home and terrorizing them but he had been watching them is another added level of mental torture!

[guessting]

Truthandsoul,

All cases specified what was said, what sex acts were forced on a victim. EAR did refer to killing in Bakersfield in one of the attacks. In #16, he told "he told them to lay still, or he would kill them like he did "some people in Bakersfield". In rape #21 he told the victims "I never killed before, but I'm going to now". "I'm going to go out and kill two people". "People are going to die".

As for his sexual behaviors I am not sure whether he chose his victims based on their performances or not but I do think he made it clear to the victims he had watched them in their most intimate of moments by his actions. In the EAR cases it is evident to me that he wanted LE to know it was him. Saying the same things over and over at each attack. His need to masturbate with a lubricant. His ligatures. As he moved South he switched things up a little as though he became aware of the need to change his MO or possible face capture, just speculation..

[truthandsoul]

Guessting,

Thanks for answering that.
Could "some people in Bakersfield" be "some people in Visalia" (only about an hour a way -- I'm a native CA and I had to google map Visalia to find it)?

I believe the Zodiac Killer said something similar to 2 he attacked at Lake Berryessa (recall, one survivied) with reference to "Mexico" perhaps. Maybe obfuscation? Or a reference to San Diego (where there's a double murder he's a possible suspect of).

But onward to looking at Bakersfield crimes (do we have a thread there already vie A&E)?

[guessting]

I can't recall if there's a thread there but the older board AE that was there before this one did have ample information about the town of Bakersfield vs. Visalia. I do believe its been discussed on the newer AE board.

[truthandsoul]

G, Ok, well for now I gotta work on my BB/ONS connection but will check for Bakersfield vs Visalia in the future...Thank You!

[truthandsoul]

Could the lubricant been used as a safeguard to ensure that he didn't bleed when he raped the victims?
Since he was a non-secretor (did he know he was), he knew he didn't want to get his blood on the victims...

Maybe became part of the ritual, as well.

[guessting]

I don't believe so. He left his blood at an EAR case anyways. I don't want to be too graphic about why I believe he needed the lubricant...Let me just say, I believe it was a NECESSARY part of his ritual. Where and when did it become so, I have no clue but I think it did enhance his ability towards acheiving an erection. Which even with the lubricant it was rarely a full erection. Sorry, I guess I did get graphic. But it was necessary. g

[lepke]

Jun 17, 2013 17:56:39 GMT -5 guessting said:

I don't believe so. He left his blood at an EAR case anyways. I don't want to be too graphic about why I believe he needed the lubricant...Let me just say, I believe it was a NECESSARY part of his ritual. Where and when did it become so, I have no clue but I think it did enhance his ability towards acheiving an erection. Which even with the lubricant it was rarely a full erection. Sorry, I guess I did get graphic. But it was necessary. g

Without wanting to get too blue either, because EAR/ONS was different from many rapists, the way that he carried out his rapes could be different too

When we hear the word 'rapist', I would think that the idea that springs to mind for most people, would be the kind of man who would take the opportunity to attack a woman walking through a park at night.

That kind of guy would be finished much quicker than EAR/ONS, and not have prepared for the attack beforehand, but taken an opportunity when he saw it.

EAR/ONS planned his attacks so well, and one of the results of that was that he did not feel under pressure for time once he was there, in the same way that a generic rapist in a park at night, might worry about being discovered, and get it over with quick.

EAR/ONS knew that he likely had hours, and in some ways, his approach could be like that of a promiscuous man who had picked up a woman at a bar, and brought her back to his.

At the risk of sounding blue, and all women are different, and rather than the lube being just part of a ritual, there would have been some women for whom lube was kind of needed, because in whatever sick way, he was there to enjoy himself, and would have had less fun with some women without the lube.

[truthandsoul]

L (and G), yes, that's an improvement; It allowed him not to rush the situation. There were several examples were in ST where it appeared he raped repeatedly, pausing to go rummage thru the homes.

I guess we all shouldn't be too worried about being blue since we're all hear to help. But yeah, its a little awkward. Imagine how the LE would eventually become numb to it!

I was thinking about cases I've heard where the woman would bleed (due to the lack of lubricant) and this contributed to the spread of AIDs. I was kinda flipping it, cuz I'm sure the man could/would bleed too in those cases, but the risk of AIDs was the woman's (unfortunately).

[ausgirl]

Just some (rather graphic, sorry) thoughts on the lube...

This guy had - I am going with the most general descriptions - a smallish penis. Now, granted he was raping women, which doesn't tend to produce any natural lubricant, so I kind of get why he might choose to use a bit. But from what I can tell - and if it's not so, please do correct me - he was fairly sloshing the stuff around, to the point where the sound of it was rather obvious when he masturbated.

Now, a small penis plus lots of oily lube = not much friction. He also is said to voiced his approval of those victims he perceived to have a large vagina.. and (after that pile of grossness, sorry again) I can't help wondering if this was something of a fetish for him. Or -maybe- a way to help him feel that the women wanted sex with him and were enjoying the rape.

He fantasised about having a larger penis (ie, "eight inches") and clearly had no shyness about flashing it about (walking around semi-naked, exhibitionist style). He -had- to know he didn't have a big one.. when thinking rationally - but maybe when his fantasies took over and he was compelled to rape, he got so into the idea of having a big one that he could believe others saw it that way, too.

I am pretty sure what others thought didn't matter at all to EAR/ONS - what mattered was that his fantasy was fulfilled as closely as possible to his ideal.

So, that's where I get to thinking the lube was all about him believing he needed it, to put it bluntly. I don't even think 'sex' was all that important to him, more like the rape was an extension of his own masturbation fantasies. He was right quick in-and-out, especially with the anal rapes, none of the sex went for long, though he obviously ejaculated a lot. I have even pondered whether the sex itself as a physical act made him uncomfortable, once it translated from his mind into reality..

Anyway. I think most men with small penises wouldn't over-lube and reduce friction and therefore pleasurable feeling, if the pleasurable feeling was at all important to him.. so what regarding the lube -was- important to him, instead, is the next logical question for me.

Just to actually stay on topic a bit - that was a really good thought, regarding that he may have been mimicking the couples' lovemaking in some way. Never considered that before, cheers.

[truthandsoul]

Is it possible that he is a homosexual? The rapes were done to demonstrate his "manhood"? The lubrication/masturbation was done because he was not sexually-aroused by women? His gay partner assisted him in prowling and his need to prove his "manhood"?

NOTE: he did sodomize Offerman according the SB LE reports

[lepke]

Jun 18, 2013 2:11:34 GMT -5 ausgirl said:

Just some (rather graphic, sorry) thoughts on the lube...

This guy had - I am going with the most general descriptions - a smallish penis. Now, granted he was raping women, which doesn't tend to produce any natural lubricant, so I kind of get why he might choose to use a bit. But from what I can tell - and if it's not so, please do correct me - he was fairly sloshing the stuff around, to the point where the sound of it was rather obvious when he masturbated.

Now, a small penis plus lots of oily lube = not much friction. He also is said to voiced his approval of those victims he perceived to have a large vagina.. and (after that pile of grossness, sorry again) I can't help wondering if this was something of a fetish for him. Or -maybe- a way to help him feel that the women wanted sex with him and were enjoying the rape.

He fantasised about having a larger penis (ie, "eight inches") and clearly had no shyness about flashing it about (walking around semi-naked, exhibitionist style). He -had- to know he didn't have a big one.. when thinking rationally - but maybe when his fantasies took over and he was compelled to rape, he got so into the idea of having a big one that he could believe others saw it that way, too.

I am pretty sure what others thought didn't matter at all to EAR/ONS - what mattered was that his fantasy was fulfilled as closely as possible to his ideal.

So, that's where I get to thinking the lube was all about him believing he needed it, to put it bluntly. I don't even think 'sex' was all that important to him, more like the rape was an extension of his own masturbation fantasies. He was right quick in-and-out, especially with the anal rapes, none of the sex went for long, though he obviously ejaculated a lot. I have even pondered whether the sex itself as a physical act made him uncomfortable, once it translated from his mind into reality..

Anyway. I think most men with small penises wouldn't over-lube and reduce friction and therefore pleasurable feeling, if the pleasurable feeling was at all important to him.. so what regarding the lube -was- important to him, instead, is the next logical question for me.

Just to actually stay on topic a bit - that was a really good thought, regarding that he may have been mimicking the couples' lovemaking in some way. Never considered that before, cheers.

I know that this is a bit of an icky subject, but using lube is never a problem, whereas not using lube can be. He would not know how much natural lube a woman was producing, until he was inside her, so from his point of view, why take a chance by not using it?

Also, I once watched a documentary on women's sexual responses, where some sexologists showed them various things on a TV screen, ranging from romantic scenery, animals mating, and all different kinds of porn, and basically, women seem to get physically aroused by just about everything, at least in terms of vaginal response, even if they do not consciously feel that way.

Even if the situation with EAR/ONS was one that none of the women wanted to be in, it was clearly a sexual situation, and their vaginas would have reacted accordingly, however much they did not want to be there consciously. One of the reasons that natural lube evolved, was to protect the woman from getting injured, whatever the sexual situation she found herself in was.

As for the idea that he produced a lot of semen, and I see no reason to think that. He may have produced a decent amount the first time that ejaculated, especially if he had gone a few days without doing so, but his second ejaculation would produce significantly less semen, and beyond that, only small amounts. Semen needs time to build up, and ejaculating a few times in a few hours does not provide enough time for it to happen.

As far as I am concerned, once he had the woman tied up and gagged, and knew that he had plenty of time, he saw her as being there for his amusement, as more of an appliance than a person. So what if she saw he had a small willy, because her thoughts and feelings mattered not one iota to him. If he wanted to do his usual masturbation ritual, with the lube, and bring her in when he felt like it, then that was okay by him, because on one level, both the lube and the woman were just there to give him pleasure, as masturbation aids if you will.

[guessting]

Jun 18, 2013 10:48:27 GMT -5 truthandsoul said:

Is it possible that he is a homosexual? The rapes were done to demonstrate his "manhood"? The lubrication/masturbation was done because he was not sexually-aroused by women? His gay partner assisted him in prowling and his need to prove his "manhood"?

NOTE: he did sodomize Offerman according the SB LE reports

(Second Note) Offerman was not sodomized. I can assure you it is not in the SB LE reports..

[guessting]

I hate to say that I believe it is as simple as this. EAR NEEDED THE LUBE TO MAKE HIS BEST ATTEMPT AT GETTING AN ERECTION (masturbation) was huge to him. In my opinion he masturbated far more often than anything else. It is reported EAR often forced a non erect penis into his victim. Sometimes, leaving the room and working harder at it with the lube..then returning to again rape the victim. It could be for any and all of these reasons. From what I know I would put my bet on the capital letters above.

[lepke]

Jun 18, 2013 16:39:44 GMT -5 guessting said:

I hate to say I believe it is as simple as this. EAR NEEDED THE LUBE TO MAKE HIS BEST ATTEMPT AT GETTING AN ERECTION. It is reported EAR often forced a non erect penis into his victim. Sometimes, leaving the room and working harder at it with the lube..then returning to again rape the victim. It could be for any and all of these reasons. From what I know I would put my bet on the capital letters above.

One thing to remember about EAR/ONS and sex, is that he was seriously perverted, and the things that stimulated him, would have been quite different to what would stimulate most people.

When the subject of voyeurism has come up before, I have mentioned that someone being a voyeur, in and of itself does not make them such a pervert, at least if they are a virginal teenage boy for example.

Most boys like that, sooner or later will get into a physical relationship with a woman, and voyeurism will no longer be of much interest to them.

But EAR/ONS was a grown man, not a virgin, and yet he still remained a voyeur, which suggests that in his case, it was part of a perversion.

Watching people having sex, was clearly a greater turn on to him, than actually having sex himself. As well as peeping, he clearly got off on scaring people, and being violent to them, neither of which has much to do with physically having sex.

Most men would see a naked woman in front of them, and wouldn't need to touch their penis in any way, never mind put lube on it, to make it erect.

The erection would happen naturally, as what a normal man is turned on by, is the naked female form, the idea of having sex, and the act of having sex.

As if we didn't already know, EAR/ONS was a very messed up person, and one clear area of dysfunction, was how he reacted to women, in terms of his involuntary physiological reactions (getting a stiffy).

I think that raping them was less to do with enjoying the sex, and more to do with doing something that he knew would scare and upset them, as what he wanted to do more than anything, was make them suffer, because he hated them.

[portofleith]

I think that the masturbation is significant in these crimes. Most normal young men in their twenties can get an erection just by looking at the right body.

I don't think GSK was able to maintain an erection without his habitual masturbation ritual. There were cases where he brought his favorite lotion from home. That leads me to speculate that he was heavily masturbating during his peeping days as well.

I think he did watch couples having sex and he may have tried to adapt their moves, but his excessive dependence on masturbation always brought it back to the lotion.

I have never come across another case where the perp masturbated into bound hands while the victim was on her stomach. Missionary rarely worked for him.

[truthandsoul]

Jun 18, 2013 16:35:36 GMT -5 guessting said:

Jun 18, 2013 10:48:27 GMT -5 truthandsoul said:

Is it possible that he is a homosexual? The rapes were done to demonstrate his "manhood"? The lubrication/masturbation was done because he was not sexually-aroused by women? His gay partner assisted him in prowling and his need to prove his "manhood"?

NOTE: he did sodomize Offerman according the SB LE reports

(Second Note) Offerman was not sodomized. I can assure you it is not in the SB LE reports..

g, I shouldn't have said it with any authority on the SB LE report, but that was the conclusion (I reached) from reading the section in ST on the M/O murders...they now know it not to the be the case (in which case, was Manning raped?)? Or it was never the case?

[ausgirl]

Guessting, I have entertained the thought for a while, that the "ritual" elements of the rapes were possibly more important than the actual sex act itself.

But yes, it could've been a simpler, practical reason also!

Just - I can't help dissecting his every move for insights into what kind of man he was outside the rape setting.. (so I do tend to overthink stuff, as well as employing Occam's razor now and then).

A pile of his behaviour was ritualised, and I gotta wonder what made him change that ritual.. One thing I haven't done is thoroughly compare elements of repeated behaviours and speech patterns in the early and later crimes, and see what changed, and think about -why-. It's on my to-do list now, cheers.

[geko]

IMO if he wanted to use lube he would have invested in the correct product, by using hand lotion and baby oil he's fulfilling what he knows best. There's a link between the lotion and something he is used to doing on a non sexual level and that somehow the boundaries have crossed. I believe it all started in early adolescence, say about 11/12. He's doing what he's familiar with.

[lepke]

Jun 19, 2013 4:56:32 GMT -5 geko said:

IMO if he wanted to use lube he would have invested in the correct product, by using hand lotion and baby oil he's fulfilling what he knows best. There's a link between the lotion and something he is used to doing on a non sexual level and that somehow the boundaries have crossed. I believe it all started in early adolescence, say about 11/12. He's doing what he's familiar with.

I'm sure that I once read an account by a man, who had to go and live with his aunt as a boy, and was sexually abused by her. I mention it, because you have reminded me, that what he talked of was rituals involving things such a baby oil and creams, the two of them rubbing products into each other, at her instigation, after baths etc, when her husband was (frequently) away on business.

My first ever post on the AETV board, was to speculate about the kind of childhood that he had, and how that may have messed him up, and being abused by an older woman like the other guy that I mention, could well explain the level of sexual dysfunction that he experienced, and also led to him developing a hatred for women in general.

[ausgirl]

Is there somewhere a list of the specific lubricant products he brought with him, as well as those he selected from the victim's home?

I have wondered if there might have been a certain range of scents that helped him immerse himself in his fantasy 'script' (or yeah, just helped him get it up..). It could have been just the sensation of it, but scent is a powerful trigger and worth looking into, in my opinion.

Guessting, I've used the word 'script'.. not so much for the victims (I think your usage is quite apt in context of your post) but for the fact EAR/ONS had a little script running through his head that he played out to various degrees with each victim.

I think stalking the victims was part of it - he needed to feel he knew them well, not only for expedience during the crimes, but also as a means of terrifying the victims further. That's why he left ligatures hidden around the houses he broke into, I think. He wasn't sloppy enough to leave anything lying around he didn't want discovered. He wanted people to know he'd rifled through their homes.. getting off on the terror he caused. I think a close comparison of the homes he left items in but -didn't- return to rape the occupants might reveal some little hints about him, maybe. Another thing for the to-do list, unless someone's already done it.

How utterly violated would anyone feel, if a rapist not only knew details of your home life, but your sexual relationships as well.. it's a disgusting thought, but horror and revulsion and the power that gave him is what he was after.

But in addition to this terror, perhaps a sense of familiarity also helped him build the 'right' kind of momentum for a rape. Rage and hatred, I agree, was likely high on the agenda for that.

[guessting]

Yes, he seemed to like baby lotion. Oil and vaseline on occasion, a tanning oil was smelled once. EAR sometimes brought to the scene and sometimes used victims.

[lepke]

Seeing as he liked creams and oils so much, I wonder whether he liked going for massages...

[geko]

Yes, if anybody has a list of the types of lotions he used, I'd be grateful. Sunblock fits in with what I'm thinking, tanning oil would too. I would hazard a guess there's been no mention of EAR wearing underwear either ? If he did I'd be surprised.