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Post by geko on Jun 20, 2013 12:38:05 GMT -5
Lepke, I don't think that would quite do it for him, it's the control he likes, in a massage it's the customer being controlled, but then, it's only my opinion.
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Post by guessting on Jun 20, 2013 18:14:19 GMT -5
LOVL!!!!
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Post by guessting on Jun 20, 2013 18:15:49 GMT -5
EAR liked massaging himself.  |
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Post by lepke on Jun 20, 2013 18:22:56 GMT -5
My last message was tongue in cheek. If you have ever seen the film The Producers, you will know that sometimes a good way to deal with great evil, is to make fun of it - did I ever mention that he had a really small willy, possibly the smallest in Sacramento...
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Post by guessting on Jun 20, 2013 18:42:47 GMT -5
I thought my post was tongue in cheek, guess not!!
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Post by greg26011979 on Jun 20, 2013 19:39:41 GMT -5
If you cannot all take this subject seriously, then I'll invite Kev over here to instill manners in you all!!!!
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Post by gskonstracker on Jun 21, 2013 1:17:21 GMT -5
Is there somewhere a list of the specific lubricant products he brought with him, as well as those he selected from the victim's home? I have wondered if there might have been a certain range of scents that helped him immerse himself in his fantasy 'script' (or yeah, just helped him get it up..). It could have been just the sensation of it, but scent is a powerful trigger and worth looking into, in my opinion. Guessting, I've used the word 'script'.. not so much for the victims (I think your usage is quite apt in context of your post) but for the fact EAR/ONS had a little script running through his head that he played out to various degrees with each victim. I think stalking the victims was part of it - he needed to feel he knew them well, not only for expedience during the crimes, but also as a means of terrifying the victims further. That's why he left ligatures hidden around the houses he broke into, I think. He wasn't sloppy enough to leave anything lying around he didn't want discovered. He wanted people to know he'd rifled through their homes.. getting off on the terror he caused. I think a close comparison of the homes he left items in but -didn't- return to rape the occupants might reveal some little hints about him, maybe. Another thing for the to-do list, unless someone's already done it. How utterly violated would anyone feel, if a rapist not only knew details of your home life, but your sexual relationships as well.. it's a disgusting thought, but horror and revulsion and the power that gave him is what he was after. But in addition to this terror, perhaps a sense of familiarity also helped him build the 'right' kind of momentum for a rape. Rage and hatred, I agree, was likely high on the agenda for that. Here is an excellent discussion of serial killers from the FBI. www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder |
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Post by guessting on Jun 21, 2013 11:00:20 GMT -5
Aww, comon Greg, when I picked up some messaged this am..I had to see him as the poster on nearly every thread. I swear I will be good. If Kev is worth his salt he would already know about this place and be here. This board has been used for years. It has been discussed on the AR board, posted there, on and on. I think he just posts, does not really read, he can't control all the boards, can he?? I swear I will behave. g
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Post by lepke on Jun 21, 2013 12:21:25 GMT -5
Aww, comon Greg, when I picked up some messaged this am..I had to see him as the poster on nearly every thread. I swear I will be good. If Kev is worth his salt he would already know about this place and be here. This board has been used for years. It has been discussed on the AR board, posted there, on and on. I think he just posts, does not really read, he can't control all the boards, can he?? I swear I will behave. g I never behave, but I'm very lovable... |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jun 21, 2013 17:40:16 GMT -5
any buyers of the theory that he's gay? but driven to rape by some intense desire to prove his manhood or relive his childhood (sexual) trauma (e.g. the having the female masturbate him) or (related) an intense hatred of women.
the reporting that he had a hard time getting aroused (pun intended) would either lead me to believe he's:
1) very sexual dysfunctional or
2) not attracted to women.
If he's very sexually dysfunctional, why is he raping so frequently?
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Post by guessting on Jun 21, 2013 20:38:25 GMT -5
I don't believe he is gay. There was talk about it in the 70's when an article quoting LE stated he was in a "homosexual panic" I have never believed that.
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Post by truthandsoul on Jun 21, 2013 21:01:25 GMT -5
g, while I have your attention; is it established now that Offerman was not raped/sodomized? So its incorrectly reported in ST? (sorry to pester  |
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Post by geko on Jun 22, 2013 1:41:07 GMT -5
I don't believe he's gay, that, IMO would manifest itself differently. A homosexual panic, if that's a correct term would have him directing his anger to men only. He would be hitting on gay men. IMO he's sexually dysfunctional not just because of ED problems but his size must have had a psychological impact on his self esteem.
Truthandsoul, to answer your question as to why he's raping so frequently, I think his needs were great (high sex drive) but the body wasn't willing IYSWIM.
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Post by guessting on Jun 22, 2013 7:16:33 GMT -5
No pester, if you could quote where that is in st I would like to check that out. It is a FACT, Offerman was found in an awkward position that suggested it was a possibility. It is believed he fell into that position while trying to escape. FACT, he WAS NOT sodomized. Don't ever feel bad about asking questions.
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Post by guessting on Jun 22, 2013 7:20:59 GMT -5
Geko, the term "homosexual panic" meant something very different in the 70's... I would actually call it "someone else's panic" lol
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Post by geko on Jun 22, 2013 10:01:59 GMT -5
Geko, the term "homosexual panic" meant something very different in the 70's... I would actually call it "someone else's panic" lol ;D |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jun 22, 2013 11:27:47 GMT -5
No pester, if you could quote where that is in st I would like to check that out. It is a FACT, Offerman was found in an awkward position that suggested it was a possibility. It is believed he fell into that position while trying to escape. FACT, he WAS NOT sodomized. Don't ever feel bad about asking questions. i have the hardcopy, chapter 56 page 439: "In March our suspicions were confirmed. Two people were murdered in SB County. Not only that, the deputy informed Bevins, who was attending a seminar, "the male had been sodomized after he had been killed."" Indeed, not much detail. Could just be the positioning of Offerman. But a strong statement to make solely based on position (IMO). |
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Post by guessting on Jun 22, 2013 13:09:01 GMT -5
It was due to the buttocks being elevated. I won't be to graphic here. But that is where the speculation came from. A rape kit was done on Manning. Then lost. I would presume Manning was raped. But in this case you cannot presume. Do not know why she would of been done any differently unless the panic of Offerman attempting to get free made him stop prior to???
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Post by truthandsoul on Jun 22, 2013 13:57:12 GMT -5
ok, that makes sense. a little premature on their part to claim that as sodomy. Crompton does go on to say something about "the homosexual tendency...". That itself wasn't my impetus for suspecting he might be gay. But I'll make my case elsewhere Were the females in each of the four double-homicides raped? and in 2 cases (M/O, D/S) the male tried to resist and was killed (shot) as a result? |
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Post by geko on Jun 22, 2013 14:03:10 GMT -5
I would like it confirmed (if anybody knows) if D was raped, I'm not sure if they lost her kit too or they checked and she wasn't.
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Post by ausgirl on Jun 22, 2013 21:02:01 GMT -5
any buyers of the theory that he's gay? but driven to rape by some intense desire to prove his manhood or relive his childhood (sexual) trauma (e.g. the having the female masturbate him) or (related) an intense hatred of women. the reporting that he had a hard time getting aroused (pun intended) would either lead me to believe he's: 1) very sexual dysfunctional or 2) not attracted to women. If he's very sexually dysfunctional, why is he raping so frequently? Nah, not gay. He was fixating on the women. I tend to think his chronic soft-on was a contributing factor in his compulsion to rape. Risk turned him on, adrenaline... he kept upping the danger, raising the stakes.. perhaps he couldn't get it up at all unless his adrenaline was super high. Another reason I have wondered about endocrine/hormonal problems... |
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Post by dancartell on Jun 30, 2013 16:03:49 GMT -5
If you have ever seen the film Porky's, following peeping that happened in the girl's shower room, just such a line up was suggested... ROFL ;D , |
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Post by dancartell on Jun 30, 2013 16:09:01 GMT -5
I agree they could be his fantasies. I have never seen Porky's. Without giving away too much, in case you want to watch it . Think of Porky`s as American Pie of the early 80`s  ..... |
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Post by dancartell on Jun 30, 2013 16:58:46 GMT -5
any buyers of the theory that he's gay? but driven to rape by some intense desire to prove his manhood or relive his childhood (sexual) trauma (e.g. the having the female masturbate him) or (related) an intense hatred of women. the reporting that he had a hard time getting aroused (pun intended) would either lead me to believe he's: 1) very sexual dysfunctional or 2) not attracted to women. If he's very sexually dysfunctional, why is he raping so frequently? Nah, not gay. He was fixating on the women. I tend to think his chronic soft-on was a contributing factor in his compulsion to rape. Risk turned him on, adrenaline... he kept upping the danger, raising the stakes.. perhaps he couldn't get it up at all unless his adrenaline was super high. Another reason I have wondered about endocrine/hormonal problems... Interesting points , years ago I once read that some of these psychopaths and serial killers are "chronically under-aroused" and this leads them to seek out excitement and take risks that are OTT , |
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Post by dancartell on Jun 30, 2013 17:09:52 GMT -5
Just to add to what I mentioned above , the proper term I was referring to is Chronic cortical under-arousal. Regarding taking risks I found this quote from a journal interesting The psychobiological basis for this absence of anxiety and attachment is probably rooted in chronic cortical underarousal or, more specifically, a peripheral autonomic hyporeactivity to aversive stimuli that is apparent in severely psychopathic individuals. The more severe the psychopathy, the more the patient will relate to others on the basis of power rather than affection. The psychobiological basis for this absence of anxiety and attachment is probably rooted in chronic cortical underarousal or, more specifically, a peripheral autonomic hyporeactivity to aversive stimuli that is apparent in severely psychopathic individuals. Personality Characteristics and Treatment Prognosis -Antisocial Personality Disorder- www.health.am/psy/more/personality_characteristics_treatment_prognosis/#ixzz2Xjw5awOm |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 3, 2013 13:10:07 GMT -5
Just an idea. I am wondering if this has been brought up before. I was reading a book about cropdusters in Arkansas, Texas, and OK and wondered if the EAR was doing something similar. It seems it could account for some things. 1. Irvine, Goleta, and the other areas were heavily agricultural 2. unnoticed travel between all cities 3. Many small airports have loaner cars and other available cars he could have borrowed. 4. Possibility to have brought bicycle with for transportation, I checked on this. Small Cessna could allow for small bike in cockpit, High horsepower cropduster could have had bicycle attached behind cockpit. The ones I went and looked at were 650 horse, another 1050 horse. 5. Could explain why he was less active in summer 6. still allows for military background. 7. from what I have read, not many laws concerning the job as there are now. 8. cropdusting was a difficult task back then, lots of hours in the air, low level flying like something you would have in Laos or Vietnam 9. Availability of chemicals to make methamphetamine. 10. Allows for connection to people like Ted Shackley, Arthur Jones, Morgan Hetrick, and other military and pilots. I have other ideas about this. Repoman and Kev seem to have been quick to discount the idea that the ear could have travelled by plane. I think this is more reasonable. It is not at the high end of the aviation job possibilities, still requires good skills, a job a loner might have, and is something that would leave very few social connections in the areas. Anyone see something I am missing? Overall, I like it. You have my blessing  I'm not sure about Irvine being heavily agricultural. I know there were orange groves (hence the name Orange County), but I would think in the 70s/80s those were so small in size that they weren't cropdusted. However, the Bakersfield/Visalia and even Sacramento areas are also heavily agricultural (probably more than Goleta), so I think you could extend the claim there. I wouldn't think a plane fitted for cropdusting would be used for medium-range travel (e.g. hopping from Sac to SB, or OC to SB), but I could easily be wrong. |
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Post by lepke on Jul 3, 2013 15:01:40 GMT -5
Just an idea. I am wondering if this has been brought up before. I was reading a book about cropdusters in Arkansas, Texas, and OK and wondered if the EAR was doing something similar. It seems it could account for some things. 1. Irvine, Goleta, and the other areas were heavily agricultural 2. unnoticed travel between all cities 3. Many small airports have loaner cars and other available cars he could have borrowed. 4. Possibility to have brought bicycle with for transportation, I checked on this. Small Cessna could allow for small bike in cockpit, High horsepower cropduster could have had bicycle attached behind cockpit. The ones I went and looked at were 650 horse, another 1050 horse. 5. Could explain why he was less active in summer 6. still allows for military background. 7. from what I have read, not many laws concerning the job as there are now. 8. cropdusting was a difficult task back then, lots of hours in the air, low level flying like something you would have in Laos or Vietnam 9. Availability of chemicals to make methamphetamine. 10. Allows for connection to people like Ted Shackley, Arthur Jones, Morgan Hetrick, and other military and pilots. I have other ideas about this. Repoman and Kev seem to have been quick to discount the idea that the ear could have travelled by plane. I think this is more reasonable. It is not at the high end of the aviation job possibilities, still requires good skills, a job a loner might have, and is something that would leave very few social connections in the areas. Anyone see something I am missing? Interesting idea... |
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 3, 2013 21:43:58 GMT -5
Believe it or not Irvine really was still agricultural back then. It was sad watching them doze over the orange groves section by section. back then they grew strawberries, asparagus, oranges, grapefruit, and up near rattlesnake reservoir there were avocado groves where the drainage was good. They grew other stuff but I don't remember exactly what it was. The area around Northwoods looks drastically different now then it did back then. That's fair. I just remember it being more like square blocks of agriculture, rather than how it is in the Central part of CA, where its more acres and acres of agriculture. My point being, I don't know if they would cropdust the relatively smaller plots in Orange County (not because of health concerns, but just due to size), but I won't continue to nitpick this point, because I think your idea is strong enough. You're still a ways ahead of me with all this background you've dug up, but its worth some more thunking. |
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Post by gskonstracker on Jul 3, 2013 23:27:21 GMT -5
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Post by truthandsoul on Jul 3, 2013 23:43:52 GMT -5
I lived in Huntington Beach, but my grandma was in Irvine and later Anaheim. I just remember square blocks of strawberry fields. But sure, further inland they could have bigger groves, etc. I did find a few newspaper articles on crop dusting in LA, SD and OC (including one about a crop dusting helicopter crash at Lion Country Safari! Remember that place?). I'm only conscious of actually seeing cropdusting when I used to drive the I5 from Santa Cruz to OC and occasionally getting in the wake of the fumes  It seems like Malathion (and that is a word I remember from growing up!) was used in CA thru the 80s: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malathion including the CA medfly attack of 1989(!): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_California_medfly_attack |
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